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Aug 22, 2012 10:44:35   #
micro wrote:
DougW wrote:
Add jalepeno!


How about some beer!


I'll settle for some iced tea, but I wouldn't mind some hotwings on the side...
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Aug 22, 2012 10:31:52   #
Spindrift62 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
Spindrift62 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
Spindrift62 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
OK, at the risk of sounding stupid here, what is the difference between a DSLR and a medium format camera? Other than the price of course, I have seen them advertised and know they cost both arms and legs to purchase, but what makes them worth that much?


A medium format Hassy/Bronica/Kiev is a FILM camera that produces a negative about twice the size of a 35mm fim negative. It is possible to buy a special back for the Hassy which will turn it into a digital camera. Take out second and third mortgages to pay for it! To be quite honest I wouldn't entertain any of them unless you particularly want to stay with film. The reproduction of a digital camera with a good lens infront of it would be more than adaquate for most peoples requirements and much cheaper both in purchase price and running costs.
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Thank you. I am quite happy with my DSLR. I have just been hearing about medium format cameras lately and wondered what made them so desireable. What are their advantages, other than having a larger negative than a 35mm? Are the images better quality, do they print larger? I am just curious.
quote=Spindrift62 quote=dtcracer OK, at the risk... (show quote)


They are mainly used by photographers that want ultra maximum detail so that their shots can be printed up to billboard size without loss. However as the best I need is 20 x 30 inches, the disadvantages in carrying, cost, weight and the vast improvements made in the last few years to sensors and lenses have rendered the medium format obsolete as far as I'm concerned. You would also have to have incredble eyesight to tell the difference between photos shot on the two types of camera up to 20 x 30. However if you do want to go medium format and have money to burn then the Hassy (used on the moon landing) and the Bronica are beautiful cameras to use provided that you can adapt to looking at everything through a top mounted prism that reverses all visible motion.
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Sounds like my DSLR will work just fine for what I use it for! I guess if someone was a professional photographer it would be worth the expense, but I am still trying to get my wife to recover from the heart attack she had over the cost of my DSLR!
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The answers easy don't tell her!
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Yeah...about that...Doesn't work! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Aug 22, 2012 10:28:03   #
micro wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
No let's continue. I think to many republicans this topic is much more important than discussing the economy and the reasons for its failure and the success of the President in attempting to solve those problems.


Ok, I prefer my pizza plain (cheese & sauce), occasionally I'll go for peperoni. :lol:


Thin crust for me, with sausage, pepperoni and cheese, please.
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Aug 22, 2012 10:26:51   #
micro wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
micro wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
micro wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:


Look up:
Larry Craig.
Oh the hypocrisy!


To mirror the statement of a liberal on another post: This thread is not about Larry Craig (a scumbag), it is about Kerry Gauthier. It is amazing how liberals will try to change the subject when one of their own is under fire for inappropriate conduct, and try to turn it onto a republican.
quote=micro quote=Screamin Scott They go after R... (show quote)


What is amazing is the hypocracy of attaching moral judgement on those you don't like, and try to cast that shadow on a whole political party, while ignoring the same conduct if if comes from your side.
quote=dtcracer quote=micro quote=Screamin Scott... (show quote)


I agree, so stop ignoring the misconduct in your own party and trying to change to subject. This thread was about Gauthier, not Craig. So, instead of trying to change the subject to highlight the fallicies of a former republican politician, and let us address the current affairs regarding a democrat, Gauthier. Craig is old news, and stepped down from his post following his guilty plea.
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Why don't you reread your title and your initial post, and then tell me this is about Gauthier. You made this about all Democrats ( "High & Mighty Democrats & their own moral deficiencies"). It is too late to pretend that you were making an objective comment about one man.
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You need to re-read the title and original post. I did not start this thread.
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Aug 22, 2012 10:25:21   #
Spindrift62 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
Spindrift62 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
OK, at the risk of sounding stupid here, what is the difference between a DSLR and a medium format camera? Other than the price of course, I have seen them advertised and know they cost both arms and legs to purchase, but what makes them worth that much?


A medium format Hassy/Bronica/Kiev is a FILM camera that produces a negative about twice the size of a 35mm fim negative. It is possible to buy a special back for the Hassy which will turn it into a digital camera. Take out second and third mortgages to pay for it! To be quite honest I wouldn't entertain any of them unless you particularly want to stay with film. The reproduction of a digital camera with a good lens infront of it would be more than adaquate for most peoples requirements and much cheaper both in purchase price and running costs.
quote=dtcracer OK, at the risk of sounding stupid... (show quote)


Thank you. I am quite happy with my DSLR. I have just been hearing about medium format cameras lately and wondered what made them so desireable. What are their advantages, other than having a larger negative than a 35mm? Are the images better quality, do they print larger? I am just curious.
quote=Spindrift62 quote=dtcracer OK, at the risk... (show quote)


They are mainly used by photographers that want ultra maximum detail so that their shots can be printed up to billboard size without loss. However as the best I need is 20 x 30 inches, the disadvantages in carrying, cost, weight and the vast improvements made in the last few years to sensors and lenses have rendered the medium format obsolete as far as I'm concerned. You would also have to have incredble eyesight to tell the difference between photos shot on the two types of camera up to 20 x 30. However if you do want to go medium format and have money to burn then the Hassy (used on the moon landing) and the Bronica are beautiful cameras to use provided that you can adapt to looking at everything through a top mounted prism that reverses all visible motion.
quote=dtcracer quote=Spindrift62 quote=dtcracer... (show quote)


Sounds like my DSLR will work just fine for what I use it for! I guess if someone was a professional photographer it would be worth the expense, but I am still trying to get my wife to recover from the heart attack she had over the cost of my DSLR!
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Aug 22, 2012 10:11:03   #
micro wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
micro wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
just went through pages and pages of google and cannot find any citations that say he used tax payer money to have pizza flown in from chicago. perhaps you can give a citation


If you would actually read the post you would find where he flew pizza in. As I put in my later post it was my mistake, it was from St. Louis, MO, not Chicago. He flew in the pizza chef along with 20 pounds of dough, plus toppings, which I am sure cost more than just flying in the pizza would have been. And just whom do you think paid for this extravagant pizza party?

Of course, I am sure that your internet browser, judging by the ridiculous posts that you, RixPix and micro post, has a block on it that keeps you from seeing anything negative regarding Barry Hussein Obummer and anything Democratic or liberal.
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In addition to the story being ludacrus, your fixation on something so stupid is beyond comprehension. We have wars, unemployment, a broken tax system, wall street gone wild, unaffordable health care, house foreclosures, and you want to discuss pizza!!!! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
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There are many more important issues, I agree with that. I also did not start the subject, just responded to a comment from another poster, you are the one who insisted on continuing the conversation.
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I only responded to your comments!
But I agree, lets end this idiodic subject.
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Agreed.
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Aug 22, 2012 10:10:21   #
micro wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
micro wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:


Look up:
Larry Craig.
Oh the hypocrisy!


To mirror the statement of a liberal on another post: This thread is not about Larry Craig (a scumbag), it is about Kerry Gauthier. It is amazing how liberals will try to change the subject when one of their own is under fire for inappropriate conduct, and try to turn it onto a republican.
quote=micro quote=Screamin Scott They go after R... (show quote)


What is amazing is the hypocracy of attaching moral judgement on those you don't like, and try to cast that shadow on a whole political party, while ignoring the same conduct if if comes from your side.
quote=dtcracer quote=micro quote=Screamin Scott... (show quote)


I agree, so stop ignoring the misconduct in your own party and trying to change to subject. This thread was about Gauthier, not Craig. So, instead of trying to change the subject to highlight the fallicies of a former republican politician, and let us address the current affairs regarding a democrat, Gauthier. Craig is old news, and stepped down from his post following his guilty plea.
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Aug 22, 2012 10:02:26   #
micro wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
just went through pages and pages of google and cannot find any citations that say he used tax payer money to have pizza flown in from chicago. perhaps you can give a citation


If you would actually read the post you would find where he flew pizza in. As I put in my later post it was my mistake, it was from St. Louis, MO, not Chicago. He flew in the pizza chef along with 20 pounds of dough, plus toppings, which I am sure cost more than just flying in the pizza would have been. And just whom do you think paid for this extravagant pizza party?

Of course, I am sure that your internet browser, judging by the ridiculous posts that you, RixPix and micro post, has a block on it that keeps you from seeing anything negative regarding Barry Hussein Obummer and anything Democratic or liberal.
quote=ole sarg just went through pages and pages ... (show quote)


In addition to the story being ludacrus, your fixation on something so stupid is beyond comprehension. We have wars, unemployment, a broken tax system, wall street gone wild, unaffordable health care, house foreclosures, and you want to discuss pizza!!!! :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
quote=dtcracer quote=ole sarg just went through ... (show quote)


There are many more important issues, I agree with that. I also did not start the subject, just responded to a comment from another poster, you are the one who insisted on continuing the conversation.
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Aug 22, 2012 09:46:20   #
lachmap wrote:
"Germany wasn't the middle east either." Touche to you too. Yes, forgot about that. Still, that was a special case because of the crap the Germans had to deal with following their decision to have WW1 and losing it. Hitler got them out of the crap, but the trouble was he was nuts!!!! He just made it worse in the end!!!
Yes, one can never say never. However, there are actually thousands of illegal guns in Australia. They actually are everywhere, but concentrated in the hands of the few - mostly crims. And yes crims do use guns to kill people here. It's just far more uncommon. Very rare in fact. Almost unheard of.

And:
"His comments have been more un-American than those of you who do not reside here." Is it un-American to disagree with someone about how America should be run? Doesn't he have the right to free speech?
"Germany wasn't the middle east either."... (show quote)


Yes, it is his right to free speech, and to disagree with how America should be run. It is not just posts of this on this thread that led to that comment.
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Aug 22, 2012 09:42:30   #
lachmap wrote:
"Germany wasn't the middle east either." Touche to you too. Yes, forgot about that. Still, that was a special case because of the crap the Germans had to deal with following their decision to have WW1 and losing it. Hitler got them out of the crap, but the trouble was he was nuts!!!! He just made it worse in the end!!!
Yes, one can never say never. However, there are actually thousands of illegal guns in Australia. They actually are everywhere, but concentrated in the hands of the few - mostly crims. And yes crims do use guns to kill people here. It's just far more uncommon. Very rare in fact. Almost unheard of.

And:
"His comments have been more un-American than those of you who do not reside here." Is it un-American to disagree with someone about how America should be run? Doesn't he have the right to free speech?
"Germany wasn't the middle east either."... (show quote)


The question I have regarding criminals in Australia: I know you have a problem with outlaw bikers, same as we do. Do you have the street gang problems that we have? They do not respect the difference between another gang member and an innocent bystander. A lot of our gang problems come from illegal immigration problems. One of the worst, most dangerous gangs we have here is the MS-13. It was founded by illegal immigrants from San Salvador, who were fighters in their bloody civil war. It is considered one of the bloodiest gangs in America now, and they will murder anyone, whether a gang member of not. Most gang members are convicted felons, it is considered a badge of honor amongst gang member. It is illegal for a felon to possess a firearm, yet it does not stop them from possessing several. And again, the violence does not stay contained within the gang culture. They have been known to kill people just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think I will keep my gun to protect my family.
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Aug 22, 2012 09:26:56   #
Spindrift62 wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
OK, at the risk of sounding stupid here, what is the difference between a DSLR and a medium format camera? Other than the price of course, I have seen them advertised and know they cost both arms and legs to purchase, but what makes them worth that much?


A medium format Hassy/Bronica/Kiev is a FILM camera that produces a negative about twice the size of a 35mm fim negative. It is possible to buy a special back for the Hassy which will turn it into a digital camera. Take out second and third mortgages to pay for it! To be quite honest I wouldn't entertain any of them unless you particularly want to stay with film. The reproduction of a digital camera with a good lens infront of it would be more than adaquate for most peoples requirements and much cheaper both in purchase price and running costs.
quote=dtcracer OK, at the risk of sounding stupid... (show quote)


Thank you. I am quite happy with my DSLR. I have just been hearing about medium format cameras lately and wondered what made them so desireable. What are their advantages, other than having a larger negative than a 35mm? Are the images better quality, do they print larger? I am just curious.
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Aug 22, 2012 09:20:46   #
lachmap wrote:
"We are not afraid because we have guns. We are not afraid of guns because we have the right to defend ourselves, if need be. It seems the countries that ban guns are the ones who are afraid. And they are also the ones who are vulnerable to tyranny as well, since they will not have the means to repell it if the need ever arises."

Believe me, we are not afraid. That's why we have a military and allies. Tyranny? Where the hell would that come from? This is not the middle east (such as Syria) for example. This is a democratic country. We are civilised. And always will be.
But looking at some of the great comments such as "If that is your sentiment, then feel free to emigrate to Australia. Then you can feel safe from all of the horrible mentally disturbed Americans! You will not be missed here." I can see that what I am saying must be rankling some people. That is not a reasonable way to have a discussion!!! Stop putting people down just because they disagree with you!!! Discuss the topic in an adult and reasonable manner please. It makes it more dignified!!!

Have a nice day, and don't forget to duck!!
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Germany wasn't the middle east either. They were one of the most modern, progressive countries in the world, yet succumbed to the tyrany of Adolf Hitler. Never say never, it can happen in Australia same as it can anywhere else. The attitude that you have, believing that your country is safe from tyrany is very dangerous. One should never be so complacent. Remember, the military follows the orders of whom ever is in charge. If your leader is a tyrant, the military will follow orders. Just having a military does not make you safe. Allies? Good idea, however, if the problem arises internally what good will that do you? Especially in todays world where countries hesitate to take military actions against other countries because they are afraid of ridicule. Take the US for example: we were ridiculed for the war in Iraq. Though the premise of the war was wrong, the ultimate goal was to remove a tyrant from power. The US has been ridiculed by the rest of the world ever since. Now, there is a war in Syria that needs to be intervened in because innocent citizens are being murdered by their government, and the US and its allies are afraid to intervene. My point is, don't ever rely on allies, or your government to protect you or do what is right. It is not infallible. And as far as the comment regarding emigrating to Australia, there are many on this board whom I believe will agree with me regarding the person that comment was directed toward. His comments have been more un-American than those of you who do not reside here. If he is not happy in the US, then he should go where he would be happy, where people agree with his particular views and beliefs. America is a Democratic country, not a socialist country, if he wants to live in a socialist country then America guaratees his freedom to move to one of them. That freedom is backed by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.
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Aug 22, 2012 08:56:20   #
OK, at the risk of sounding stupid here, what is the difference between a DSLR and a medium format camera? Other than the price of course, I have seen them advertised and know they cost both arms and legs to purchase, but what makes them worth that much?
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Aug 22, 2012 08:44:55   #
Eugene wrote:
I am not trying to add fuel to this fire but I do have a question to present for discussion. Please understand that I do have mixed feelings on the topic of abortion when it comes to rape, incest or mother's health so I'm not really taking sides here.
Here's the question......Why is it O.K for an expecting mother to give a doctor permission to take the unborn baby's life but if a thug or drunk driver harms the mother in a way that kills the baby he will go to prison (as I think he should)?
Again, this is just for discussion. Not for argument...It just seems that there are two sides of this coin each with its own set of standards.
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That is a very good question. In most states it is considered murder if the criminal actions of one causes a pregnant woman to lose the child. However in other states it in not considered murder. Remember the poor lady who was killed in the recent shooting in Colorado? She was pregnant, both she and the child were killed, yet Colorado law did not allow for an extra murder charge against Holmes. Yet the same people who support abortion were angry because he could not be charged with it. I am not talking about pro-choice supporters here on UHH, I do not know their stance on this subject.
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Aug 22, 2012 08:38:02   #
ole sarg wrote:
DTracer I did three tours in Viet Nam and have never felt the statement of love it or leave has or had any value. It is love it and change it. That has value. That is what our citizens do every two, four and six years. They love it and change it.

I find that most who wear lapel pins and wave the flag are very reluctant to support the troops through budgets. The Bush administration did not increase the VA budget.

President OBama has supported and pushed through legislation that has increased the budget. He cares for the troops.

You say you appreciate what the troopers have done and are doing, then support President OBama's initiatives to increase VA funding and modernization.

Be a true Patriot not a flag waving lapel pin wearing one!
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I will be happy to support any politicians initiative to increase VA fundings, or any other attempt to take care of our vets. My father was a WWII vet, survivor of Pearl Harbor, and then fought for two years in the South Pacific. He died on 2000 with complications from asbestos exposure and lung cancer. He was considered 80% disabled from injuries sustained during a battle (took a bayonet and rifle butt to the chest, killed the man with his bare hands), yet only received $80 a month in disability from the government until he was 75 years old. At that time the VA reviewed his case, and was confused why he hadn't been paid more. They then raised his pay to $800 a month. I am not merely a flag waver, my friend, I do support our troops and vets. However, I am not going to support a President that I believe is doing a poor job otherwise just because I agree with one thing that he does. By the way, sarg, thank you for YOUR service to our country.
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