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Mar 23, 2024 12:43:17   #


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Mar 23, 2024 12:01:42   #
Anthony padua wrote:
Magazine would not accept.Kate.Middletons photo.because it was edited she admitted she had done it herself where does this leave all you hoggers


No impact on me.
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Mar 22, 2024 11:27:43   #


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Mar 21, 2024 05:43:01   #
dpullum wrote:
This is the most fun a "geezer" can have by himself
Do You mean yourself using MS Copilot or the bear being king of all he surveys?


Using Copilot
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Mar 20, 2024 17:52:58   #
I think AI image creation will become to photography what photography is to painting.
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Mar 20, 2024 15:04:04   #
Copilot.


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Mar 20, 2024 14:19:23   #
This is the most fun a geezer can have by himself.


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Mar 20, 2024 11:51:28   #
Cwilson341 wrote:
I dabbled in AI a little but certainly never to this good a result. This is a heart warming scene. Well done to you and your helper.


Thanks.
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Mar 20, 2024 10:12:49   #
Wilderness Images wrote:
Nice image. What program were you using and can you release the text you used to create it?

Jack Olson


I used Microsoft Copilot. I don't remember the text, I built it up a little at a time.
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Mar 20, 2024 08:43:10   #
Just getting into this and I enjoy it.

Just like in conventional photography, I'll take credit for it.


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Mar 18, 2024 17:50:43   #
terryMc wrote:
Jack, I pointed out above what I think of your Midjourney, et al, images, and the way you handle them with integrity, and to my knowledge, you have never claimed that any of them was "photography." I know you sometimes include your own photos or portions of them in composites that are mostly AI, but that doesn't make them photographs either, and I have never seen you make that claim. Just the opposite. I don't know if you claim to "create" these images as the OP does, but we both know that the computer program does that, and the only human input (other than creating the algorithms) is to describe a picture for the computer to draw.

Okay, so what? Ai is here to stay. Sure it is, but if you post a picture and lie to me about how it was made and I can't tell the difference, does that mean that you created a photograph? Does that make AI "photography" or just make you a liar?

What "skills" does one need to make an AI image undetectable? Seems to me the only skill you need is picking the best program. Firefly is not very good right now, wouldn't fool anyone. Midjourney? Would fool most people if that's your goal. Still not photography, still can't take a picture of my newborn grandson ten minutes after his birth to show the family. Can I prompt a computer to create a newborn and claim it's my new grandson? You betcha. Does that claim make it a photograph or just make me a liar? You know the answer.

If I Google "Photograph of Davy Crockett on the walls of the Alamo" I'll get millions of pictures. Which are the real Davy Crockett? None of them, of course, there weren't any, but there are lots of pictures, drawn and painted, and lots of movie scenes (and those are photographs). If I Google that and get AI generated pictures that look like photographs, are they then genuine "photographs"? Not any more than the drawings, and no more historically authentic.

I'm glad you enjoy this computer art and I encourage you to go on doing so for as long as you wish. But I hope you also continue to do it ethically (I have seen no reason to believe otherwise) and also realize that there are as many people working right now on ways to detect fakes as there are those trying to produce them. There have always been fakes, even fake copies of the paintings of the masters, and there likely always will be. I use Generative Fill in Photoshop for lots of things that I do to my own photographs, but I always am up front about editing. Also they always begin as real camera photographs, not as typed sentences.

Do all the computer imaging you wish to. I will look at and enjoy many of them. Just don't tell me this makes you a creator of art any more than an author who hires an artist to illustrate his books is an artist. You tell the computer what you want, it draws it for you. What you get is a CGI illustration, not a photograph, not now, not ever.
Jack, I pointed out above what I think of your Mid... (show quote)


Wow, you are really hung up on this. Look at my subject, and don't let this obsession cloud your mind. Peace.
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Mar 18, 2024 16:52:53   #
Curmudgeon wrote:
Here we go again. Try Googling "Photograph of Plato speaking in the senate" or maybe, "Photograph of Davy Crockett on the walls of the Alamo".

First understand that images generated by AI are exactly that images, not photographs. Anyone who represents them as photographs should be, (the punishment of your choice.) However if I choose to lie to you and I am careful you will never know. Yes, AI is that good and getting better by the day.

UHH has developed guidelines which I follow. I post WARNING AI IMAGES when ever I use an AI image alone or in a composite. I usually post my composite images containing AI generated images in the Digital Artistry Forum but sometimes when I editorialize I may post them elsewhere, with the AI warning of course.

OK here it is in a nut shell:

AI is here to stay and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
AI is good enough that if someone has sufficient skills, it cannot be detected.

A final question

Photoshop has Generative Fill and Generative Expand. These tools use the AI engine from Firefly. Should the use of these tools be required to have an "AI warning" also?
Here we go again. Try Googling "Photograph of... (show quote)


You can call it what you want...I call it fun.


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Mar 18, 2024 13:04:23   #
terryMc wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Images+of+colorful+eagle+and+bird+illustrations&rlz=1C1RXQR_enUS1049US1049&oq=Images+of+colorful+eagle+and+bird+illustrations&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCjMxNzYwajBqMTWoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#vhid=ok8U4bHc8jb0RM&vssid=l


58,400,000 results (0.23 seconds)


How many are identical to the ones I posted? All are someone else's creations.
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Mar 18, 2024 12:51:53   #
terryMc wrote:
That's hilarious. And you didn't answer my question. How is that different from Googling?


See how Google handles this.






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Mar 18, 2024 11:32:59   #
terryMc wrote:
And somehow you still don't understand that this is not photography and that the result of your using a few common words to tell a computer to create something is not your "creation."

I could type into Google: "Show me images of Red-winged Blackbirds" and then pick one from the results. How is that different?


Perhaps you don't understand. Who made you judge and jury.
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