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Mar 17, 2019 13:01:46   #
Kuzano
 
I've been clear from time to time, and at length that I do not currently shoot RAW. I have in the past for a 4-5 year period and used Photoshop for some time and I do not want to revisit that decision on my part. But I think I have been clear in my reasons, over time.

Someone is not happy with my decision and choose to tag me as lazy, and more than that, intimidated by the process. Here follows:

"Raw is pretty much useless to me (my topic)

from: mrjcall (all from/all to)
received on: Mar 17, 2019 08:11:26
Greetings: I find your musings regarding your lack of desire or need for shooting in raw format to be devoid of any real facts except for one: the jpeg format is used primarily for sport/news photographers (who make money at their endeavors) because they often need to immediately transfer the images back to their base of operations.

The vast majority of hobbyists who decry raw format as useless, such as yourself, are simply too lazy or too intimidated by the effort involved in bringing their photography to the next level. Yes, of course it is an effort, but so was using the darkroom back in the day. I'll make the leap that you don't make money at sport/news photography, so I'll attribute your raw attitude to being both lazy AND intimidated, but most likely the later......

Shooting in raw format isn't necessary for many to enjoy photography as a hobby, but it IS required if one is interested in creating the highest quality images their brain, their effort and their gear can produce. Based on your somewhat lengthy treatise, you obviously don't aspire to that goal and that's fine.........few do. 😎

Jim"

Well Jim, for me it all boils down to personal choice. I did use a wet darkroom in the past, but eventually also gave that up in favor of mastering the camera and film, or the camera and digital capture in favor of image capture in both media. I have been abundantly clear on that..... capture in the studio and the field is much more important to me.

While I do not decry shooting RAW or Post Processing as unnecessary, and while I have seen the benefits of both, I simply choose to shoot with a properly adjusted camera and with proper media (if film) and other "capture tools".

Your point that I have done little to prove my point, I find no evidence in your PM to me to prove your point. So we drag this old bickering point onto the table again, when it truly is simply a matter of choice.

To Each his own.


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Mar 17, 2019 13:04:49   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Why didn't you just PM him, why put it out to everyone? And so what to what he said, does it really matter anyway? Does it affect you personally? No. Just ignore people like this or respond to them directly. Just my two cents.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:07:07   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
You can delete pm's without reading or you can block the sender with the Ignore List. But take a breath and consider the motivations of the sender. Perhaps totally selfless and only wanting to help; we really don't have any way to know.

Doesn't matter. Do what you want; you do not need to defend yourself - especially publicly.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:13:35   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Kuzano wrote:
I've been clear from time to time, and at length that I do not currently shoot RAW. I have in the past for a 4-5 year period and used Photoshop for some time and I do not want to revisit that decision on my part. But I think I have been clear in my reasons, over time.

Someone is not happy with my decision and choose to tag me as lazy, and more than that, intimidated by the process. Here follows:

"Raw is pretty much useless to me (my topic)

from: mrjcall (all from/all to)
received on: Mar 17, 2019 08:11:26
Greetings: I find your musings regarding your lack of desire or need for shooting in raw format to be devoid of any real facts except for one: the jpeg format is used primarily for sport/news photographers (who make money at their endeavors) because they often need to immediately transfer the images back to their base of operations.

The vast majority of hobbyists who decry raw format as useless, such as yourself, are simply too lazy or too intimidated by the effort involved in bringing their photography to the next level. Yes, of course it is an effort, but so was using the darkroom back in the day. I'll make the leap that you don't make money at sport/news photography, so I'll attribute your raw attitude to being both lazy AND intimidated, but most likely the later......

Shooting in raw format isn't necessary for many to enjoy photography as a hobby, but it IS required if one is interested in creating the highest quality images their brain, their effort and their gear can produce. Based on your somewhat lengthy treatise, you obviously don't aspire to that goal and that's fine.........few do. 😎

Jim"

Well Jim, for me it all boils down to personal choice. I did use a wet darkroom in the past, but eventually also gave that up in favor of mastering the camera and film, or the camera and digital capture in favor of image capture in both media. I have been abundantly clear on that..... capture in the studio and the field id much more important to me.

While I do not decry shooting RAW or Post Processing as unnecessary, and while I have seen the benefits of both, I simply choose to shoot with a properly adjusted camera and with proper media (if film) and other "capture tools".

Your point that I have done little to prove my point, I find no evidence in your PM to me to prove your point. So we drag this old bickering point onto the table again, when it truly is simply a matter of choice.

To Each his own.
I've been clear from time to time, and at length t... (show quote)


I would not give him the time of day. They are people like him who have the attitude that " it is my way of the highway".

Ignore people like him. You are correct, it is a matter of choice., And how the photos are used. Not everyone needs to shoot raw.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:25:49   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You can delete pm's without reading or you can block the sender with the Ignore List. But take a breath and consider the motivations of the sender. Perhaps totally selfless and only wanting to help; we really don't have any way to know.

Doesn't matter. Do what you want; you do not need to defend yourself - especially publicly.


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Yep! :-)

That is what I was about to write.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:27:55   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
I totally agree with you, Kuzano, I shoot JPEG and I am totally happy with my pictures.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:32:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Do what works best for you!

It's interesting that some people basically state that someone is wrong because someone doesn't do something their way. Not everyone has to agree with someone's method, but they should respect the choice they made. That's why I offer "what I do" as food for thought. The final decision on what they do would be up to them, and that's fine.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:34:34   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Linda From Maine wrote:

.........

Doesn't matter. Do what you want; you do not need to defend yourself - especially publicly.



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Mar 17, 2019 13:35:36   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I shoot raw only. For me, a part of the pleasure of photography is polishing the result, and raw gives me more options to do that. The actual taking of a photo is maybe 1/250 second of pleasure. The polishing process can extend that immeasurably.

If it's not for you, so be it. YMMV.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:39:01   #
orrie smith Loc: Kansas
 
Kuzano wrote:
I've been clear from time to time, and at length that I do not currently shoot RAW. I have in the past for a 4-5 year period and used Photoshop for some time and I do not want to revisit that decision on my part. But I think I have been clear in my reasons, over time.

Someone is not happy with my decision and choose to tag me as lazy, and more than that, intimidated by the process. Here follows:

"Raw is pretty much useless to me (my topic)

from: mrjcall (all from/all to)
received on: Mar 17, 2019 08:11:26
Greetings: I find your musings regarding your lack of desire or need for shooting in raw format to be devoid of any real facts except for one: the jpeg format is used primarily for sport/news photographers (who make money at their endeavors) because they often need to immediately transfer the images back to their base of operations.

The vast majority of hobbyists who decry raw format as useless, such as yourself, are simply too lazy or too intimidated by the effort involved in bringing their photography to the next level. Yes, of course it is an effort, but so was using the darkroom back in the day. I'll make the leap that you don't make money at sport/news photography, so I'll attribute your raw attitude to being both lazy AND intimidated, but most likely the later......

Shooting in raw format isn't necessary for many to enjoy photography as a hobby, but it IS required if one is interested in creating the highest quality images their brain, their effort and their gear can produce. Based on your somewhat lengthy treatise, you obviously don't aspire to that goal and that's fine.........few do. 😎

Jim"

Well Jim, for me it all boils down to personal choice. I did use a wet darkroom in the past, but eventually also gave that up in favor of mastering the camera and film, or the camera and digital capture in favor of image capture in both media. I have been abundantly clear on that..... capture in the studio and the field is much more important to me.

While I do not decry shooting RAW or Post Processing as unnecessary, and while I have seen the benefits of both, I simply choose to shoot with a properly adjusted camera and with proper media (if film) and other "capture tools".

Your point that I have done little to prove my point, I find no evidence in your PM to me to prove your point. So we drag this old bickering point onto the table again, when it truly is simply a matter of choice.

To Each his own.
I've been clear from time to time, and at length t... (show quote)


While I shoot in the raw format, and enjoy post processing my photos, I can see why some people do not want the burden. What you shoot, and how you shoot, is the choice of the photographer, and anyone that criticizes someone for their choice in subject or format is a fool. Just my opinion. Stay with what makes you happy with your photos and try to not let some idiot upset you.

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Mar 17, 2019 13:53:38   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ5ICXMC4xY

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Mar 17, 2019 13:54:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
orrie smith wrote:
While I shoot in the raw format, and enjoy post processing my photos, I can see why some people do not want the burden. What you shoot, and how you shoot, is the choice of the photographer, and anyone that criticizes someone for their choice in subject or format is a fool. Just my opinion. Stay with what makes you happy with your photos and try to not let some idiot upset you.


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Mar 17, 2019 14:01:27   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
My experience has been that absolutely nothing is lost working with raw files, nothing is more difficult or time consuming when working with raw files, and the results - for what I do - are vastly superior. I was very excited when I discovered that and naturally enough wanted to share that with others here. I was surprised to see people get upset about that, as you are expressing here.

I think that many people are missing out by not working with raw files, and I have concluded that it must be because of fear or lack of knowledge. But I am not supposed to say that, right? When someone tells me that I am missing out in something because of fear, ignorance or laziness, I don't then assume that I am under personal attack. It is quite possible that I am missing out because I am afraid, ignorant, or lazy. We all are at some time or the other. I welcome criticism, or try to. How else can one improve? "That person is trying to say they are superior to me!!! Waaaaah!!!" Hey, guess what? There are a lot of people who are superior to me in skill and knowledge.

But do whatever you want to do. No one is telling you what to do. Avoiding working with raw files has its place and might be right for you. I think what you are taking a a personal insult may actually be an exhortation to make an informed decision about that, and to allow others to do the same without getting your personal emotions involved.

You are not being "branded" or attacked, that I can see. If you do not want to work with raw files, so be it. I just hate to see others discouraged from even considering something that could be of tremendous value for them as a result of the emotional drama that you and others create around this issue.

Mike

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Mar 17, 2019 14:18:51   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Seems the OP is the one dragging this out. I don't see any other reason to have created this thread.

Gee, somebody told me I'm lazy, my images suck, I should shoot Sony and am an idiot for sticking with Nikon. Who gives a rat's ass? Oh, wait, I forgot to broadcast it to the world, I might get some sympathy.

IMHO - look at my pictures tell me what you like, or don't like, and how you think I can improve them.

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Mar 17, 2019 14:40:06   #
Salo Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
I still shoot RAW+JPEG, but I must admit I no longer post-process the RAW files either except upon rare occasion. I usually just discard them these days. Even JPEGs can still be somewhat tweaked with common editing tools to make them appear more pleasing if needed or desired, but I fully agree with the OP that it's just a matter of personal choice. One should always have the freedom of doing whatever one wishes with their own photography. There is no unwritten rule against not post-processing.

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