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Mar 6, 2019 05:49:50   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I'm of the opinion that the results of most photographer's will improve more from learning how / when / why to move their focus points around than how to expose in manual.


CHG_CANON
I'm with you on focus failure. About 90% of my picture failures are for focus failure because you can't recover from focus failure. I rarely have a failure due to unrecoverable exposure mistakes.
Thanks,
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Mar 6, 2019 05:57:01   #
Larz
 
To me, the use of the word "guessing" here means "applying years of experience".

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Mar 6, 2019 05:59:01   #
leftyD500 Loc: Ocala, Florida
 
Jim1938 wrote:
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot was manually exposed, except for the ASA (now ISO). After a while, I bought and used a light meter and my pictures became a lot better and much more interesting.

Lately I've seen quite a few questions regarding manual shooting and wonder why one would ever want to shoot entirely in manual mode, except in some very rare circumstances? At best, manual mode is a guess about the proper exposure settings, although some photographers can probably do a passable job. Certainly, I can see setting two variables manually and letting the camera set the remaining variable automatically, but totally manual exposure, I don't see.

What am I missing? Does "manual" mean setting two variables manually or does it mean setting all variables manually? Are manually exposed shots better in some way? Is it just a guessing game and the one who gets the closest to a great exposure wins the game? Help...
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot ... (show quote)


Personally, I think "manual" is a badge some photogs proudly wear to indicate his/her superior knowledge of and skill in using a camera. We have been brainwashed to think that if you don't shoot TOTALLY manual mode, then somehow, that camera is smarter than you are. There are times, IMHO, when total manual shooting is desirable, but, I rarely shoot in total manual control. Of course, I am not a pro, I am an old fuddy dud who just enjoys getting out in God's beautiful world, and perhaps capturing some of that beauty.

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Mar 6, 2019 06:39:35   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
For my own work, I shoot manual 99.9% of the time. It gives me far better control of the initial exposure. Manual is anything but a guessing game. However, one has to know and understand their camera and its capabilities. Once that understanding is well in hand, placement of the scene's luminosity values is easily accomplished. Manual provides far more precise control of the exposure. It's that simple and it's not a guessing game.
--Bob

Jim1938 wrote:
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot was manually exposed, except for the ASA (now ISO). After a while, I bought and used a light meter and my pictures became a lot better and much more interesting.

Lately I've seen quite a few questions regarding manual shooting and wonder why one would ever want to shoot entirely in manual mode, except in some very rare circumstances? At best, manual mode is a guess about the proper exposure settings, although some photographers can probably do a passable job. Certainly, I can see setting two variables manually and letting the camera set the remaining variable automatically, but totally manual exposure, I don't see.

What am I missing? Does "manual" mean setting two variables manually or does it mean setting all variables manually? Are manually exposed shots better in some way? Is it just a guessing game and the one who gets the closest to a great exposure wins the game? Help...
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot ... (show quote)

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Mar 6, 2019 06:50:45   #
pahtspix
 
I shoot mostly wildlife with a Nikon D500 and a Tamron 150-600mm G2, an 95% of my shooting is done in MANUAL mode , with ISO AUTO setting a ceiling of ISO 3200, and an aperture of F6.3 to F8 depending upon the conditions. The VC on my lens is ALWAYS set at #3, and I shoot using back-button focus..All of the above settings are used on and off of a gimbal headed tripod..As long as I keep an eye on my viewfinder, I can adjust any of those parameters that do not fall within the histogram in my viewfinder, and can very quickly make a correction if necessary..I've been using this above set up for over 2 years with many "keepers" along the way..It works very well for me..GREAT credit goes the the video teachings put out by Steve Perry of backcountrygallery.com !!

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Mar 6, 2019 06:52:27   #
pahtspix
 
I shoot mostly wildlife with a Nikon D500 and a Tamron 150-600mm G2, an 95% of my shooting is done in MANUAL mode , with ISO AUTO setting a ceiling of ISO 3200, and an aperture of F6.3 to F8 depending upon the conditions. The VC on my lens is ALWAYS set at #3, and I shoot using back-button focus..All of the above settings are used on and off of a gimbal headed tripod..As long as I keep an eye on my viewfinder, I can adjust any of those parameters that do not fall within the histogram in my viewfinder, and can very quickly make a correction if necessary..I've been using this above set up for over 2 years with many "keepers" along the way..It works very well for me..GREAT credit goes the the video teachings put out by Steve Perry of backcountrygallery.com !!

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Mar 6, 2019 07:29:29   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Jim1938 wrote:
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot was manually exposed, except for the ASA (now ISO). After a while, I bought and used a light meter and my pictures became a lot better and much more interesting.

Lately I've seen quite a few questions regarding manual shooting and wonder why one would ever want to shoot entirely in manual mode, except in some very rare circumstances? At best, manual mode is a guess about the proper exposure settings, although some photographers can probably do a passable job. Certainly, I can see setting two variables manually and letting the camera set the remaining variable automatically, but totally manual exposure, I don't see.

What am I missing? Does "manual" mean setting two variables manually or does it mean setting all variables manually? Are manually exposed shots better in some way? Is it just a guessing game and the one who gets the closest to a great exposure wins the game? Help...
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot ... (show quote)


I shoot birds in flight early in the morning at FIRST LIGHT. The sun is coming over my shoulder and lighting the birds with flat front lighting. Right now I am concentrating on Cattle Egrets and Great Egrets in mating colors in flight gathering sticks for their nest. I use manual because I want detail in the birds and the meter will be fooled in all modes except Manual. You can try exposure compensation but even then in Aperture Priority the meter can give false readings. And, in anything but manual you will not get the feather detail I am after. So, yes, totally manual in some situations is a must. Without it I would not get the images I get.

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Mar 6, 2019 07:33:03   #
ISOlate Loc: Maine
 
Cases where Manual is preferred:

- Consistent exposure over multiple frames under ambient light for composite work such as focus stacking or pano assembly
- consistent exposure over multiple frames under controlled lights for batch Lightroom adjustments such as portraits, group photos, or catalog work
- TTL metered flash and strobe work where you want to expose for the background and add light for the subject, including high speed syncing

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Mar 6, 2019 07:35:55   #
sergiohm
 
Leica shooters like me shoot manual all the time! full manual means no auto iso, manual mode (you need to set speed and aperture)

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Mar 6, 2019 07:43:35   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
mas24 wrote:
I had my first experience with a 35mm camera, using my father's Minolta SRT-101. It was prior to 1975. I used mostly Kodak Kodacolor 200 ASA film. Sometimes B&W film. It only had a 50mm lens on it. I remember the light meter days. But haven't seen a photographer lately use one. I was curious to see what they cost now. They range from $300-$1600 from B&H. Sekonic was the name Brand that I saw. You brought back an old memory. I have used the Sunny 16 Rule, a long time ago, on manual lenses that would not meter on the camera. Or, you could use the guessing method, that was not always the best guess? Those were the manual only days. You do have choices on the dial mode, on a digital camera, to fit your needs. You don't have to shoot 100% manual today. Is it always the best method? To some it is. Not me.
I had my first experience with a 35mm camera, usin... (show quote)

Any of the P A S or M settings is a form of manual. The camera will give you what it believes to be the ideal exposure but you can change it giving you manual control to one degree or another. M would be like using thebold film camera where you would line up the needle but knowledgeable shooters already know what settings, in what situation to use. Today's mirrorless cameras give you the actual change on the LCD or in the EVF.

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Mar 6, 2019 07:50:56   #
markinvictoria Loc: Victoria TX
 
My first real (SLR) camera was the Pentax K1000. The only electronics it has was a + to - meter and a small battery which was turned off by putting the lens cap on. The battery lasted years. When I finally went digital...I longed for a camera just like the K1000, but just digital. What was I thinking...

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Mar 6, 2019 07:51:35   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Jim1938 wrote:
...wonder why one would ever want to shoot entirely in manual mode, except in some very rare circumstances?


Right! I don't use a sun dial to tell the time; my car starts electrically, not with a crank; I don't carry water from a stream in buckets. Modern life is great!

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Mar 6, 2019 07:55:32   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
markinvictoria wrote:
My first real (SLR) camera was the Pentax K1000. The only electronics it has was a + to - meter and a small battery which was turned off by putting the lens cap on. The battery lasted years. When I finally went digital...I longed for a camera just like the K1000, but just digital. What was I thinking...


Understandable if you're not up to where technology hss gone but today's camera's will enable you to do just about anything you want including adding effects and doing in camera editing!

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Mar 6, 2019 08:08:18   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Most of my manual shooting is done shooting macro as I use auxiliary lighting and thus disregard any meter readings since I am setting the shutter mostly to the sync speed and the aperture & flash power setting to control the light. Now I do disregard the meter in other shooting occasionally. I used to shoot with a consumer grade DSLR that didn't meter with older manual focus lenses and then I had no meter whenever I used the older lenses.

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Mar 6, 2019 08:17:31   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Most of my manual shooting is done shooting macro as I use auxiliary lighting and thus disregard any meter readings since I am setting the shutter mostly to the sync speed and the aperture & flash power setting to control the light. Now I do disregard the meter in other shooting occasionally. I used to shoot with a consumer grade DSLR that didn't meter with older manual focus lenses and then I had no meter whenever I used the older lenses.


I use aperture priority with legacy glass. You should have that at your command?

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