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Feb 15, 2019 08:55:05   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
When high resolution sensors came on the scene very few people spoke about the ability to make huge crops. Today it is more or less recognized.

As my main interest is birds I realized that this could be a viable replacement for super telephoto lenses at a fraction of the expense, $3000 body vs $10,000+ lens. Does it provide the same image quality? Not in ideal conditions, but these lenses are difficult to use, on many levels.

Here is an example of an image with a crop factor of 5.8 using a 100-400mm lens at 400mm on a 42mp sensor. Granted its not earth shattering IQ but is typical of what I can get with out much effort and some post processing. And though this gear is not inexpensive its a small fraction of the big lenses.

I don't print large often so it suits me just fine...my wallet and back really appreciate it.


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Feb 15, 2019 09:00:14   #
Swamp-Cork Loc: Lanexa, Virginia
 
Excellent image, Joe!

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Feb 15, 2019 09:38:10   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
joer wrote:
When high resolution sensors came on the scene very few people spoke about the ability to make huge crops. Today it is more or less recognized.

As my main interest is birds I realized that this could be a viable replacement for super telephoto lenses at a fraction of the expense, $3000 body vs $10,000+ lens. Does it provide the same image quality? Not in ideal conditions, but these lenses are difficult to use, on many levels.

Here is an example of an image with a crop factor of 5.8 using a 100-400mm lens at 400mm on a 42mp sensor. Granted its not earth shattering IQ but is typical of what I can get with out much effort and some post processing. And though this gear is not inexpensive its a small fraction of the big lenses.

I don't print large often so it suits me just fine...my wallet and back really appreciate it.
When high resolution sensors came on the scene ver... (show quote)


It works for me. With the ever increasing capabilities of software like denoise, detail enhancing, and especially, in this case, upsizing if needed, we're not bound by the same restrictions that were in place when full frame sensors hit the street in 2009 with 20 megapixels if we can get consistent results as good as this image and then effectively upsize if needed for printing larger. Not sure who'd want a 40x60 of a stinkin' sparrow, but...

The entire situation seems to have shifted in favor of what you're advocating here in this thread but there are those among us who want to keep moving the bar on one side of the equation as though the other parts of the equation haven't moved. It's almost like they're extra happy about getting the improvements on one side of the equation while refusing to accept that there's been perhaps even greater improvements on another side. Looks to me like you've made your point quite well.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:29:34   #
SpyderJan Loc: New Smyrna Beach. FL
 
And the winner is: This is a great shot Joe. I shoot with a crop-sensor D500, and I have to do some serious cropping sometimes, but when the image is the same size on each sensor, no matter the size, The argument for a larger sensor is mute. The main reason I opted for a crop-sensor instead of full frame was so I could still use all of my lenses, and the FX lenses are more expensive, and I too have to live within a budget.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:43:27   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
gessman wrote:
It works for me. With the ever increasing capabilities of software like denoise, detail enhancing, and especially, in this case, upsizing if needed, we're not bound by the same restrictions that were in place when full frame sensors hit the street in 2009 with 20 megapixels if we can get consistent results as good as this image and then effectively upsize if needed for printing larger. Not sure who'd want a 40x60 of a stinkin' sparrow, but...

The entire situation seems to have shifted in favor of what you're advocating here in this thread but there are those among us who want to keep moving the bar on one side of the equation as though the other parts of the equation haven't moved. It's almost like they're extra happy about getting the improvements on one side of the equation while refusing to accept that there's been perhaps even greater improvements on another side. Looks to me like you've made your point quite well.
It works for me. With the ever increasing capabil... (show quote)


Well said.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:44:08   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
SpyderJan wrote:
And the winner is: This is a great shot Joe. I shoot with a crop-sensor D500, and I have to do some serious cropping sometimes, but when the image is the same size on each sensor, no matter the size, The argument for a larger sensor is mute. The main reason I opted for a crop-sensor instead of full frame was so I could still use all of my lenses, and the FX lenses are more expensive, and I too have to live within a budget.


Thank you Jan. Yes we all have live within our means.

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Feb 15, 2019 15:01:15   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Image quality looks super here.

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Feb 15, 2019 21:44:22   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Bmac wrote:
Image quality looks super here.


Thank you so much.

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Feb 16, 2019 08:13:49   #
J-SPEIGHT Loc: Akron, Ohio
 
joer wrote:
When high resolution sensors came on the scene very few people spoke about the ability to make huge crops. Today it is more or less recognized.

As my main interest is birds I realized that this could be a viable replacement for super telephoto lenses at a fraction of the expense, $3000 body vs $10,000+ lens. Does it provide the same image quality? Not in ideal conditions, but these lenses are difficult to use, on many levels.

Here is an example of an image with a crop factor of 5.8 using a 100-400mm lens at 400mm on a 42mp sensor. Granted its not earth shattering IQ but is typical of what I can get with out much effort and some post processing. And though this gear is not inexpensive its a small fraction of the big lenses.

I don't print large often so it suits me just fine...my wallet and back really appreciate it.
When high resolution sensors came on the scene ver... (show quote)

Nice shot Joe.

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Feb 16, 2019 09:35:23   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
J-SPEIGHT wrote:
Nice shot Joe.


Thank you Jack.

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Feb 16, 2019 09:54:06   #
bajadreamer Loc: Baja California Sur
 
[quote=joer]When high resolution sensors came on the scene very few people spoke about the ability to make huge crops. Today it is more or less recognized.

You back that up with a nice picture with great fine feather detail. When shooting small birds, very difficult to "fill the frame" even if you shooting with the Hubble Space Telescope.

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Feb 16, 2019 10:28:38   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
[quote=bajadreamer]
joer wrote:
When high resolution sensors came on the scene very few people spoke about the ability to make huge crops. Today it is more or less recognized.

You back that up with a nice picture with great fine feather detail. When shooting small birds, very difficult to "fill the frame" even if you shooting with the Hubble Space Telescope.


Thanks for looking and the comments.

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Feb 16, 2019 11:08:13   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
Very good shot Joe.

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Feb 16, 2019 11:31:43   #
Paul J. Svetlik Loc: Colorado
 
I also think Joe, that a focal length longer than 400mm may not be an advantage at all?
It is very hard to frame the image - especially when the target is in motion - for its weight and size, besides the cost of the lens.
A high megapixel sensor with a shorter zoom range offers a good quality print size with the convenience of handling.
BTW for travel I go even with a more reduced zoom range like 24-150mm - without much regret.
A camouflage outfit usually helps, too.

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Feb 16, 2019 12:07:12   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
The newer versions with these new sensors are making me look like a better man than I actually am. And the newer telephoto zooms are becoming almost flawless when you crop & enlarge and discover new( yet) hidden images within the original set-ups that even you never saw coming. It's like winning the lottery.

I am so thankful that I lived to see this industry flourish as it has and it gives me great hope about the future as the gear just gets better and better-still. I never get tired of Looking At The World & The Creatures on It.

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