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Feb 15, 2019 09:40:32   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I have often voiced the OP's sentiment. I have used the video on my compact camera, but never on my FF cameras. If I wanted to do video, I'd get a video camera. I think if Canon and Nikon knew how few people used that capability, they might do something. But frankly, I don't think they care enough to find out. They are more interested in proving how much engineering they can put into a camera box with no concern about whether it will actually be used or if the target market wants that capability. I'd pay extra for the eye-controlled focus they were so famous for!

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Feb 15, 2019 09:48:53   #
chfrus
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Actually, there are plenty people who use their DSLR cameras almost exclusively for video capture!
The DSLR is a popular choice among hobbyist videographers. This may surprise you, but many of the (more polished-looking) videos on Youtube are shot with DSLR cameras. Obviously you won't find all too many videographers on Ugly Hedgehog, as this site is more for still photographers. But go over to sites aimed at video people, and there's usually a heated debate going on about which DSLR camera is best for capturing video.

The camera manufacturers have good reason to include video capability in the DSLR camera, as there is a big demand for this feature. They can't afford not to.
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I do both. I can switch back and forth. When I shoot video I use my Nikon 7200. The camera does not attract attention as a video camera would especially in countries like China..

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Feb 15, 2019 09:54:02   #
charlienow Loc: Hershey, PA
 
I use mine for grandkids mostly, but not much...if it wasnt there i would not miss it...

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Feb 15, 2019 09:56:45   #
tonybear
 
I agree that the Video capture feature is probably one of the lesser used features of most modern DSLRS, mirrorless cameras, or even so called "Bridge" cameras. With 4K capture the current high resolution video standard, it allows even dyed-in-the-wool digital photographers the capability to record stunning high quality video which can be enjoyed on the latest 4K TVs.
Most serious digital cinema photographers, ie. the ones that use high-end professional DSLRS/Mirrorless digital cameras, etc. primarily FOR the video feature, have various work-arounds to conquer the "gotchas" of using such cameras. Chief among these hidden "gotchas" are the ergonomics of the camera itself- the layout of controls, and ways to stabilize such cameras when hand-holding. Many third-party manufacturers have stepped up to the bat with so-called "cages" or "frames" that are designed to stabilize such cameras and allow full control of the cameras without having to actually touch the camera. This is significant, because nothing ruins a video shot faster than an unstable or jerky camera. Sound is another issue as well, as most digital cameras leave the recording of sound up to their low-quality inernal microphones, and use automatic gain control, or AGC. AGC is exactly OPPOSITE to what is required for high quality sound capture. Manual gain control is the requirement here. Again, third party sound accessory companies now offer a wide range of "pre-amps" with manual gain that accept a wide variety of professional external microphones to feed into your digital camera. These provide much higher quality recorded sound, and the ability to monitor it professionally.
If you are serious about capturing high-quality video and sound from your late model DSLR/mirrorless camera, you could easily invest an equal amount in these third party accessories. But in view, it's worth the investment.

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Feb 15, 2019 09:58:54   #
brent46 Loc: Grand Island, NY
 
I use video on my D7100 frequently to record bands and like it. I use a Sigma 17-50 f2.8 lens in manual focus to eliminate noise from the focus motor. I also use an external stereo mic. The results are excellent.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:04:32   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
While it seems not many use the video extensively, it appears enough do to justify the small cost of a mechanical switch and some firmware to enable video.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:07:13   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
AzPicLady wrote:
I have often voiced the OP's sentiment. I have used the video on my compact camera, but never on my FF cameras. If I wanted to do video, I'd get a video camera. I think if Canon and Nikon knew how few people used that capability, they might do something. But frankly, I don't think they care enough to find out. They are more interested in proving how much engineering they can put into a camera box with no concern about whether it will actually be used or if the target market wants that capability. I'd pay extra for the eye-controlled focus they were so famous for!
I have often voiced the OP's sentiment. I have us... (show quote)


Just because you don't use video doesn't mean it isn't a popular feature on still cameras. That's why Canon and Nikon have made it a standard feature. The fact that it hardly adds anything to the cost of the cameras just makes it make more sense from a marketing standpoint. Where do you get the idea that very few people use it? Lots of the videos on YouTube were shot with DSLRs.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:25:05   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
brucebil wrote:
How many people really use the video feature of your DSLR and appreciate having it. I have a Canon 5D Mk 4 and never use the video and never will. I would so appreciate it being removed and either the price lowered or other features added. Also it is just something else to go wrong. Just interested, not looking for a debate.


Bruce, this whine comes up a lot here, at least every six weeks or so. Here's the skinny on video in dSLRs and mirrorless interchangeable lens, electronic viewfinder cameras:

They would not, and could not, exist if they were not FIRST video cameras!

Video is one of those "you might as well put it in there, because all digital cameras really ARE video cameras anyway" technologies. You can buy one dSLR that I know of without video in it. It's the $2750 Nikon Df. Nikon is charging you MORE for the privilege of owning a piece of nostalgia with a digital chip in it.

The first major commercial use of digital sensors was in video cameras. That was before HD came along. It was relatively easy to build a 640x480 pixel sensor, whether a single CCD or a triple CCD design. Since plain old NTSC or PAL video was of comparatively low resolution, those chips would perform okay.

In the mid-1990s, Kodak and others started putting those chips in SLR bodies and bolting a box of electronics on the bottom of the SLR. For $30,000.00 or so, you got a 1.2 MP camera that took blurry stills with weird color and moire. There were a few military and industrial applications, and limited photojournalistic applications, but it would be years before suitable, higher density sensors were available. But the important takeaway is that the addition of the shutter and mirror to the video camera (and a few processor modifications) is what made the dSLR.

Once resolutions and processing engines were fast enough and sufficient enough to reduce moire and generate an HD video signal, the engineers realized that they could create a camera from a dSLR that would produce better video than many of the Super 35 format video cameras available for thousands more. We would have better bokeh, shallower depth of field, and low light capabilities, too.

It all took off when Canon stuck video features in the 5D Mark II. Hollywood and network TV videographers discovered how useful they were, and the trend of hybrid cameras was born. The producers of Saturday Night Live were among the first to use a 5D II for their intro scenes of the actors in dimly lit areas on streets, in bars, and in clubs of New York.

Over a decade later, almost all dSLRs and EV/MILC cameras have at least some video features. 4K has become commonplace. But here's the thing — Those video features really don't add more than a few dollars to the price of your camera, because 90% of what's necessary has to be there, anyway! And for those of us who do both kinds of photography — stills and video — they are enormously useful.

While the traditional film and video communities still prefer dedicated, old-school form factor video cameras, those of us who started our hobbies and careers in the still photography world actually prefer the dSLR and EV/MILC camera form factors! Various cages, rail systems, and cine lenses have been adapted to them to turn them into full-fledged studio and location cameras. It's even possible to mount a $30,000 anamorphic lens on a $1600 MILC.

Electronic Viewfinder, Mirrorless, Interchangeable Lens Cameras have become the preferred tools for hybrid video creatives* in the last few years. The Panasonic GHx series cameras were/are the leaders there. I use a GH4 to create training content (stills for manuals and video for many purposes). It has dramatically improved my workflow and reduced the time it takes to create content.

Now Sony, Fujifilm, Olympus, Canon, and Nikon all have serious mirrorless offerings, and Panasonic has two more coming out in early April.

*Hybrid creatives are those who work in multiple media — text, narrated audio, music, still photos, graphics, and video, with DVD/Blu-Ray, print, PDF, and Internet streaming distribution.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:40:07   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
brucebil wrote:
How many people really use the video feature of your DSLR and appreciate having it. I have a Canon 5D Mk 4 and never use the video and never will. I would so appreciate it being removed and either the price lowered or other features added. Also it is just something else to go wrong. Just interested, not looking for a debate.


How much do you think it would lower the price? My guess is that it would not. By including the relative low cost of adding video the market increases. If you can sell more units, the price can drop. So, if you remove the video, the cost might actually increase.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:55:32   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Something I haven't seen mentioned here is that with 4k video you can capture a high def 8k still which can be shot at up to 120 frames per second (fps), depending on the camera, which can then be upsized to print huge if desired.

There's a lot to be said for shooting action at 120 fps with a $1000 camera as opposed to the top of the line Canon and Nikon cameras that shoot 14 or 16 fps and cost up to as much $20,000+ with lens.

It's kinda stupid not to use it if you have it if shooting fast action is your gig unless you just like to toss cash around needlessly. 8k video is around the corner and will double captured "stills" to 16 megapixels capability immediately.

But for the rugged and weatherproofed nature of the pro level d? from Nikon and 1dx? from Canon, at 14 to 16 fps, there'll be no need for those two cameras when a spectator in the stands at a sporting event has the capability to get equivalent or better shots as the pros in the press dugout for a fraction of the cost, notwithstanding point of view.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:55:46   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
10MPlayer wrote:
I don't understand why DSLR users here on the hog are so stubborn about using the video. There are plenty of times when it's appropriate to capture video. I've used it to capture waterfalls, for example. Sills of waterfalls always seem to come up short. They are either stopped mid-stream making them look odd or they are soft and creamy looking which doesn't look real either.

My camera is old but having the ability to shoot HD video is great when I think it would be fun to do it. I can think of so many things it's fun to use it for. Example: Every Sunday my wife and I change the sheets on our bed. It's our black and white cat's favorite day of the week. He loves to run at the sheets on the floor and dive into them, sliding across the floor. How do you capture that with a still? Then he gets up on the newly made bed and chases his tail. I'm kind of a grump most of the time but watching that 10 year old kitty chase his tail makes me laugh out loud every time. I love to capture it on video and forward it to my daughter. That's just a small example.

Those of you with grandchildren can probably think of dozens of cute or funny things your grandkids do that would be fun to look at years from now if only you could capture on video. Think of those old 8mm films our parents shot. They were so expensive a poor family like mine couldn't afford it. But a lot of better off families did and I always envy the fact that they have cool 8 mm movies of themselves when they were kids.

Also, a lot of people like to make videos for YouTube. If you train your employees it's a powerful tool to make an instructional videos for your employees. I have an antique Luger I didn't know how to field strip and clean. I went to YouTube and found a video some guy made that showed me step by step how to do it.

I wanted to rebuild my hand vacuum cleaner with new rechargeable batteries. I wasn't sure how to go about it. Amazingly, some other guy had the same idea and made a step by step video of how to do it. I now have a rebuilt hand-vac that has better Lithium ion batteries that are more powerful and last 2 or 3 times longer.

So I've given just a couple of examples of the things you can do with the video feature of your camera. If you don't want to use then don't. The makers of the cameras have invested millions of dollars in developing the technology. I like it and I use it if only for trivial purposes. Thing is, it's really cool and you can get 4K video with your new camera. Instead of pooh poohing it why not try to think of something to do with it. You might be delighted.
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There are several good points here! Many UHH members are part of a demographic with few serious viewers of YouTube. If you're not YouTube users, folks, go see what's there! You can learn to do *millions* of things by watching videos.

Just the other day, I watched this extremely detailed and well-produced video showing exactly how to change the high voltage battery in a 2004-2009 Toyota Prius. It was made by 'Chris Fix,' a random guy who makes car-related videos for fun and profit (from Google ads). https://youtu.be/Q3RCdrh666w This video has been viewed over 2.9 MILLION times! I would be perfectly comfortable changing out my own Prius battery pack by watching this video while doing it.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:55:49   #
William Bennett Loc: Il
 
Have not used it my Mk4 But use the video on my sx60

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Feb 15, 2019 11:00:47   #
William Bennett Loc: Il
 
The zoom on the sx 60 works really works good at the race track for video

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Feb 15, 2019 11:01:06   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
DWU2 wrote:
I've only used mine to verify how it works.


Same here. I used my older Canon camera for a few videos so I'm glad it's there if I need it. Oh, I do remember using it on my 5D IV when I went to Bosque del Apache to see the Sandhill Cranes and all the Snow Geese. I had some trouble getting it to video the Geese as they all lifted off at the same time. What a sight to see but difficult to capture on video in an interesting way.

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Feb 15, 2019 11:08:29   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I bought the Df because I don't want video feature on my camera but with that said I am sure a lot of people use that feature and greatly appreciate it. I think there are people who bought still cameras only used for video.


And how much did you save by not having video.

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