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Feb 12, 2019 21:35:10   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
Quinn 4 wrote:
It end 150 years ago and you Southerners still hold on to the idea it was all about states rights. What was states rights any way?


Actually the historic facts are that particularly South Carolina objected to northern “states rights” to ban slavery. South Carolina argued that banning slavery was unconstitutional. Conversely, it is true that the monetary value of slaves exceeded the value of northern industry and the slave states produced about 3/4 of the value of U.S. exports. Designs from the south to expanding slavery to Cuba and Mexico were unpopular in the north. Modern history has been turned on its ear.

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Feb 12, 2019 22:45:27   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
I posted an image of Lincoln to pay tribute to him on his birthday. How this degenerated into a discussion of the South vs North is beyond my understanding
Mark
pesfls wrote:
Actually the historic facts are that particularly South Carolina objected to northern “states rights” to ban slavery. South Carolina argued that banning slavery was unconstitutional. Conversely, it is true that the monetary value of slaves exceeded the value of northern industry and the slave states produced about 3/4 of the value of U.S. exports. Designs from the south to expanding slavery to Cuba and Mexico were unpopular in the north. Modern history has been turned on its ear.

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Feb 13, 2019 05:47:34   #
ad9mac
 
markngolf wrote:
I posted an image of Lincoln to pay tribute to him on his birthday. How this degenerated into a discussion of the South vs North is beyond my understanding
Mark


What's that oval shaped thing hanging from that tree branch. Looks to be made out of grey paper. Think I'll knock it down and that a closer look. 😀

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Feb 13, 2019 06:23:46   #
AFPhoto Loc: Jamestown, RI, USA
 
Lets not forget that at the same time that he was saving the nation he established the trans continental railroad and the land grant college system. Accomplishments that are in magnitude and impact unsurpassed.

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Feb 13, 2019 06:24:00   #
exakta56 Loc: Orford,New Hampshire
 
The Jim Crow laws set in place after the war ended should make it clear what the white Southerners were about.

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Feb 13, 2019 06:53:21   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Had he not been assassinated, many of our country's problems might have been avoided.

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Feb 13, 2019 07:54:06   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Amtrain wrote:
You really need to read a book on the South and realize that it was not just we southerners who depended on slavery as a means of economic existence. Businessmen/factory owners above the Mason Dixon line depended as much on the cotton as did the South. The division between the stance taken between the states did not start in 1861 it had been going on since the 1600's. Obsessive export taxes on the produces produced in the South was the straw that broke the uneasy peace.
If the North was so set on freeing the slaves, they sure should have bought them. That process would have been 10x cheaper on the country than the cost of the War and that does not begin to touch the cost of the 100's of thousands of deaths of America's finest youth.
It was truly states right that caused the War. Slavery was only a subset to that fact.
You really need to read a book on the South and re... (show quote)


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I have a relative, D. W. Jones who was a Southerner in the East. You fail to understand history and need to read a bit more. AZ was a Southern state.
PS you are NOT a southerner anymore than anyone from NH is as the Southerners involved are all dead. You happen to live in what was once the CSA as I live in what was once Spainish territory.
So get a life and study a bit more and celebrate a great president's birthday.

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Feb 13, 2019 07:56:44   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
markngolf wrote:
I posted an image of Lincoln to pay tribute to him on his birthday. How this degenerated into a discussion of the South vs North is beyond my understanding
Mark

I was trying to provide an answer to another poster asking about an explaination of “states rights” nothing more. No attempt at offending you.

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Feb 13, 2019 08:00:32   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Thanks for the response. I was not offended. I do understand you were responding to another post.
Mark
pesfls wrote:
I was trying to provide an answer to another poster asking about an explaination of “states rights” nothing more. No attempt at offending you.

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Feb 13, 2019 08:16:19   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
I started some video editing and coffee early this morning. I always put on different news stations
and the TV is behind me in my office. This morning they were making fun of the Green Deal proposed.
And the new group in congress that wants change. Gee new ideas "Oh my God".

This post helped me. Lincoln had so much courage and took so many risks for our country.
Spielberg (Lincoln) with Daniels Day-Lewis created some of the pressures of being Lincoln.

Why is visiting the quality of pay and healthcare and living conditions in our country.
Why is it laughable that our planet is reacting to the siege on the invironment not an
important subject. I live in FL and we know about it.

The younger women in the congress are not afraid to speak the truth.
Conservative operatives are digging up anything to discredit it.

Now I am not a Liberal or Conservative. I am an American that supports the truth.
And people who have the courage to speak up like Lincoln.

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Feb 13, 2019 08:16:30   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
pesfls wrote:
I was trying to provide an answer to another poster asking about an explaination of “states rights” nothing more. No attempt at offending you.



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Feb 13, 2019 08:31:59   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
Some of this discussion should have been moved to the Attic. The political and regional disputes are not relevant to celebrating the birthday of one of our greatest presidents. So, if you have a parisan position, take it elsewhere.

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Feb 13, 2019 08:33:58   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
And now we have the orange menace, Pinocchio.

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Feb 13, 2019 08:59:01   #
1Feathercrest Loc: NEPA
 
I expect better grammar from people who know camera operation. These posts are atrocious.

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Feb 13, 2019 09:02:39   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
"Actually the historic facts are that particularly South Carolina objected to northern “states rights” to ban slavery." When you treat the slaves as if they were cattle I can see how they may have felt that way. What happened to "all men are created equal"?





pesfls wrote:
Actually the historic facts are that particularly South Carolina objected to northern “states rights” to ban slavery. South Carolina argued that banning slavery was unconstitutional. Conversely, it is true that the monetary value of slaves exceeded the value of northern industry and the slave states produced about 3/4 of the value of U.S. exports. Designs from the south to expanding slavery to Cuba and Mexico were unpopular in the north. Modern history has been turned on its ear.

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