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Jan 2, 2019 16:19:40   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
imagemeister wrote:
See, I told you there were more ....

Laughing my backside off

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Jan 2, 2019 16:21:15   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
imagemeister wrote:
Probably ......I believe the EVF shows a JPEG - so if you use JPEG, you see EXACTLY what you will get - WB included ! ( yes, I have and use an EVF) If you process raw, you may or may not see an accurate representation according to you needs. Another reason why I shoot JPEG only!
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Same here! But don’t tell anybody

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Jan 2, 2019 16:46:37   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
BDHender wrote:
Since the distance from the lens to the sensor is the same as earlier Nikon cameras why would it change to a lower IQ.

Bryan


Because of the machining tolerances in the adapter - this will be most noticeable in shorter focal length lenses ie the len's image may not be precision parallel with the sensor surface. ALL adapters are suspect for this condition.....and, of course Nikon (and Canon) will dance around this issue !

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Jan 2, 2019 16:56:37   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
jaycoffman wrote:
It may just be a GAS attack but I am considering changing from my Nikon d7100 to a mirrorless in the near future. My two main reasons are that I hope to lighten and shrink my equipment even a small amount as it's getting harder to lug my d7100 and Tamron 18-400 lens around. I realize there will be some change in how I view my photography with a mirrorless and also that some lenses will be as big as what I have but between lugging the gear in the tank bag of my bike and jumping in and out of safari vehicles and walking through the brush I'm ready for a little relief. Second, I also find myself pushing the ISO in the d7100 for a lot of shots in very low light conditions and a lot of my pictures are very difficult to bring back from the snow factor when using high ISOs even with subscription Lightroom/Photoshop. My 50mm makes pushing possible but not enough for acceptable pictures.

Right now many reviewers are saying that the mirrorless Nikon Z6 is the best buy now but there are as many still sticking the the Sony a7III (both are at about the same price point). The Nikon attracts me because I'm used to Nikons. If I get the Z6 I'll also get the 24-70mm f4 lens for my general lens.

First Question: My two main lenses on my d7100 are the Tamron 18-400 and a Nikon 50mm 1.4 lens. Both are, I believe, for the crop sensor. So if I get the adapter for the Z6 will these work for me on the full frame Z6? I know they will increase the bulk when I need to use them but I will no longer need to use the 18-400 as a walk-around lens.

Second Question: Will I see low light improvement in the quality of my pictures with a mirrorless? (I understand that I am responsible for the content and getting the exposure factors right and I will always be working on that.) Low light performance is one of the things advertised about these full frame mirrorless cameras.

Last Question: Nikon vs. Sony--Will I have to do anything special with the FTZ cards, are they expensive and does anyone have experience with them?

If anyone has any other cameras in this range I'm open to suggestions. I'm not a pro and won't be but I do like trying to get good images that I can use in picture stories and other things but probably no huge prints.

Thanks for any thoughts. I will go to the local camera store tomorrow to see how each of these cameras feels to me and see what they say about my issues but I've been somewhat disappointed in their advice in the past which is why I'm posing this question.
It may just be a GAS attack but I am considering c... (show quote)

Both Canon and Nikon's mirrorless cameras are first release. I'd probably wait for the 2nd or 3rd rendition. Sony is already there with the A7 III after a few teething problems with the A7 and A7 II. I've had the Sony A7R; the A7R II was a great improvement. I also had the A7 II; its problems were worked out with the A7 III.

bwa

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Jan 2, 2019 18:28:40   #
BDHender
 
pv3977 wrote:
At most Z6/Z7 can get 350 pix before the battery exhausted. That's under a controlled advertised condition. The D750 can get over 1000 pix per EN-EL15. On the average I'm taking well over 1000 pix per outing (HDR, high speed photo for bird in fly...)


Actually that is not true. Again !

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Jan 2, 2019 18:30:56   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
jaycoffman wrote:
Thanks I appreciate the time you took to explain this. Yes, I'm not sure about the weight and size issue that's why I'm going to the photo store tomorrow. The other answers are helpful. I didn't think it was the mirrorless feature that would help with the low light pictures I just wanted to confirm that the bigger sensor would indeed help with that. I had a feeling but wasn't sure about the lenses so if I go mirrorless I can also look at the Sony as I'll probably benefit from dedicated lenses.

When I compared the Z6 with its 50mm lens to my FF Df with its 50mm f1.4 lens, I didn't see much weight savings at all. The Z series lens seem to be at least as heavy and often bulkier. I also noted that aside from the 50mmf1.8, the other zooms are f4. In the end I was not motivated. It didn't look like much weight or bulk savings and to get the best performance, it looked like getting the z series lens involves fewer compromises all around. As I am "married" to a fair number of existing Nikon lenses, replacing lenses looked unsavory to me. Granted the Df has a 16mb sensor and the z6 a 24mp sensor; but the d750 also has a FF 24mb sensor and about the same weight. Guess folks with more knowledge on the z series can add more about the advantages

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Jan 2, 2019 18:36:51   #
BDHender
 
imagemeister wrote:
Because of the machining tolerances in the adapter - this will be most noticeable in shorter focal length lenses ie the len's image may not be precision parallel with the sensor surface. ALL adapters are suspect for this condition.....and, of course Nikon (and Canon) will dance around this issue !

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And how do you know this? I have some pictures that disssgree.

Bryan

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Jan 2, 2019 18:48:49   #
cochese
 
If you want to save weigbt and bulk look at m43, sppecifically Panasonic and my personal choice Olympus. I have the O-MD E-M1 Mark II and the 12-40 f2.8 PRO lens. This setup is very light , moderately small and has pro level features. M43 saves it's weight with the lenses which are in most cases at least 1/2 the size and weight of 35mm equivalents.

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Jan 2, 2019 18:55:39   #
jcboy3
 
BlackRipleyDog wrote:
I know this stirring the pot but with an EVF, are you looking at a JPEG or RAW image? It is not the real deal like you get with a OFV. Is is live or is it Memorex?


Neither. It is Live. Like watching TV.

When you take an image, either RAW or JPEG, a preview JPEG is generated. That preview is what you see when you play back the image

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Jan 2, 2019 19:26:34   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
BDHender wrote:
Actually that is not true. Again !


Actually what he said is true. That's the number CIPA came up with under their controlled conditions.

The fact that many are getting better results doesn't make his statement untrue.

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Jan 2, 2019 19:52:04   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
jaycoffman wrote:
My two main reasons are that I hope to lighten and shrink my equipment even a small amount as it's getting harder to lug my d7100 and Tamron 18-400 lens around.


You could simply get a smaller, lighter lens for your DSLR camera, and leave the Tamron 18-400 at home. (I probably wouldn't want to lug around that lens much either!) This would take care of both issues, without the need to replace the camera.

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Jan 2, 2019 20:23:50   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Bill_de wrote:
Actually what he said is true. That's the number CIPA came up with under their controlled conditions.

The fact that many are getting better results doesn't make his statement untrue.

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...well, when couched in *absolute* terms, it does. I own one, and to me, it's untrue. I'm lovin' the thing, and have shot extensively with it for three weeks. There are quirks, yes, but you just have to get used to the tool and much of that is gone. I mean, my D5 is still the best camera I own, but this thing is absolutely great to walk around with...I'm even motivated to start doing some serious video.

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Jan 2, 2019 20:29:12   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
rook2c4 wrote:
You could simply get a smaller, lighter lens for your DSLR camera, and leave the Tamron 18-400 at home. (I probably wouldn't want to lug around that lens much either!) This would take care of both issues, without the need to replace the camera.

The D7200 (couldn't find the D7100 on the Nikon site) weighs 23.5 oz. You could add a DX 16-80 F2.8-4 lens (ca. 16 oz) and have nice handy, all around system. the mirror less z6 plus its 50mm f1.8 weighs 35oz. Substituting the 24-70 f4 brings the total up to ca. 39 oz. - slightly more than your D7100 plus a 16-80 f2.8/4. I use my 16-80 on a D5300 body and like it a lot. The FOV of the 16-80 is equivalent to FF 24-120 FOV.

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Jan 2, 2019 21:58:59   #
ronesmith
 
If you are not making a living sell your photographs, why would you want to spend more money, buying mirror less and new lenses. Learn to work with your 7100 and enjoy the hobby. The great photographers and photographs of the past never envisioned digital.

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Jan 2, 2019 22:24:48   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
ronesmith wrote:
If you are not making a living sell your photographs, why would you want to spend more money, buying mirror less and new lenses. Learn to work with your 7100 and enjoy the hobby. The great photographers and photographs of the past never envisioned digital.


Spending money is more fun when you don't have to do it. Recreational fisherman buy new boats more often then professionals, and go out every weekend hoping to catch a bigger fish. Golfers do the same and hope their score goes up ... I mean down. I believe that most everybody, outside of UHH, likes new things. One exception might be antique collectors, but they do spend money.

If photography is a hobby, you don't need to squeeze a dime out of every nickel. Just have fun as long as you can afford it.

Only a business needs to provide a monetary reason.

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