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Dec 26, 2018 10:05:24   #
MosheR Loc: New York City
 
Have you thought about taking photos of some of New York's beautiful synagogues? A classic is the Eldridge Street Synagogue in lower Manhattan. It's not only drop dead gorgeous, but it has a long, interesting history. The Park East Synagogue on the upper east side, is another beauty. Then, of course, there's the famous Temple Emanu-El. This is one of the largest synagogues in the world. It is not as beautiful as the others ... at least in my opinion ... but it is vast, and still quite lovely in its own quiet way. And, while I'm at it, New York is home to quite a few mosques and Buddhist temples. Even though you are, as I suppose, Christian, you lose a lot of amazing opportunities if you limit yourself to churches when you photograph houses of worship. Besides, isn't it healthy to stretch one's horizons?

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Dec 26, 2018 12:34:46   #
oldfaithful
 
Be careful with the "credit card", Saks' is right next store and American Girl Doll is down the block not to mention Tiffanys'. Could be expensive, if you need extra time.

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Dec 26, 2018 15:17:18   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
billnikon wrote:
I would take my 10-20 mm on my cropped sensor camera. The amount of time you spend is up to you. I would give myself an hour minimum and give my wife the credit card and send her shopping just in case I want to stay longer.


There will be many image opportunities that demand telephoto. Depending on what interests you.

I usually use 17-50 f2.8 but sometimes 70-300 too.

Might find this interesting:

https://www.saintpatrickscathedral.org/tours

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Dec 26, 2018 16:39:03   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
Cathedral of St John the Divine near Columbia University on Amsterdam Ave

*There is some dispute about whether this cathedral or Liverpool Cathedral is the world's largest Anglican cathedral and church. It is also the fifth largest Christian church in the world.The exterior covers 121,000 sq ft, spanning a length of 601 ft and a width of 232 ft. The interior height of the nave is 124 feet.*

Tripods are permitted as long as there is rubber on the bottom. They have vertical tours, that will take you up to the different levels and then onto the roof. It is an amazing place to see and photograph!

I took these images of the vertical tour with a fisheye lens in 2010
https://ronichas.zenfolio.com/p14165120

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Dec 26, 2018 17:15:41   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
This thread has a few comments on tripods being forbidden in churches (and other places). I never quite understood that.

Banning flash makes perfect sense in that it would be quite disturbing and intrusive to others, and may even affect the colours/pigments of older artwork and artifacts (but only after several million folks have taken flash pictures, of course).

Monopods, bean bags, "clamp-pods" on pews, etc may be alternatives, but they are no substitute for a tripod in stability, and they don't allow you to select the best shooting location. And "clamp-pods" probably take more fussing than a tripod and could potentially damage the pews.

In my view, a tripod should not be a problem if the photographer handles it properly. First, carrying the camera on the tripod with legs folded is no more of an infringement on others than carrying a monopod, walking stick or cane. Second, one doesn't have to splay the legs fully in order to gain a stable shooting platform. The footprint can be as small as one's body width, thereby avoiding any trip hazard for others. Third, the user needs to respect the rights of others (many of whom are only snap shooters) to take photographs without tripods, so don't expect people to give you a clear shot every time. Of course, if you really want that empty church look, a tripod and multiple shots from the same location will allow you to eliminate all the bodies.

So having dismissed tripods being cumbersome and a safety hazard, what other good reasons might there be for not allowing tripods? Does it mean fewer sales of postcards shot by a paid professional? Just curious...

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Dec 26, 2018 17:19:25   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
It shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. I was able to get this shot in less than an hour. It is what we are told is the very first St. Patrick's, or at least the first church that the man who was to become St. Patrick, built in Ireland.



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Dec 26, 2018 17:44:06   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
This thread has a few comments on tripods being forbidden in churches (and other places). I never quite understood that.

Banning flash makes perfect sense in that it would be quite disturbing and intrusive to others, and may even affect the colours/pigments of older artwork and artifacts (but only after several million folks have taken flash pictures, of course).

Monopods, bean bags, "clamp-pods" on pews, etc may be alternatives, but they are no substitute for a tripod in stability, and they don't allow you to select the best shooting location. And "clamp-pods" probably take more fussing than a tripod and could potentially damage the pews.

In my view, a tripod should not be a problem if the photographer handles it properly. First, carrying the camera on the tripod with legs folded is no more of an infringement on others than carrying a monopod, walking stick or cane. Second, one doesn't have to splay the legs fully in order to gain a stable shooting platform. The footprint can be as small as one's body width, thereby avoiding any trip hazard for others. Third, the user needs to respect the rights of others (many of whom are only snap shooters) to take photographs without tripods, so don't expect people to give you a clear shot every time. Of course, if you really want that empty church look, a tripod and multiple shots from the same location will allow you to eliminate all the bodies.

So having dismissed tripods being cumbersome and a safety hazard, what other good reasons might there be for not allowing tripods? Does it mean fewer sales of postcards shot by a paid professional? Just curious...
This thread has a few comments on tripods being fo... (show quote)


Because unfortunately there are a few idiots that ruin it for everyone else. They set up their tripods in places that inhibit others right of passage or view. They had to limit them in Zion National Park becacuse groups of idiots would set up their tripods on trails not letting people pass.

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Dec 26, 2018 17:49:17   #
Photocraig
 
billnikon wrote:
I would take my 10-20 mm on my cropped sensor camera. The amount of time you spend is up to you. I would give myself an hour minimum and give my wife the credit card and send her shopping just in case I want to stay longer.


Careful with the Credit Card in THAT neighborhood!

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Dec 26, 2018 18:04:54   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
TheShoe wrote:
It shouldn't take more than a couple of hours. I was able to get this shot in less than an hour. It is what we are told is the very first St. Patrick's, or at least the first church that the man who was to become St. Patrick, built in Ireland.


St. Kevin's Kitchen (Church), Glendalough, County Wicklow, IE, built in the 12th Century - St Patrick died in 461.

The biggest "wait" here is for a nice sky.

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Dec 26, 2018 18:09:59   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
boberic wrote:
would the tripod ban apply to monopods?


I am going to go out on a limb here, but I think if they ban monopods, they'd have to ban walking canes, walkers, etc. which is not too likely. The conventional wisdom here is to keep a low profile, and when the gendarmes tell you to leave, you do exactly that, humble, head down, and without uttering a single word, other than sorry.

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Dec 26, 2018 18:52:00   #
jdubu Loc: San Jose, CA
 
JohnFrim wrote:
This thread has a few comments on tripods being forbidden in churches (and other places). I never quite understood that.

Banning flash makes perfect sense in that it would be quite disturbing and intrusive to others, and may even affect the colours/pigments of older artwork and artifacts (but only after several million folks have taken flash pictures, of course).

Monopods, bean bags, "clamp-pods" on pews, etc may be alternatives, but they are no substitute for a tripod in stability, and they don't allow you to select the best shooting location. And "clamp-pods" probably take more fussing than a tripod and could potentially damage the pews.

In my view, a tripod should not be a problem if the photographer handles it properly. First, carrying the camera on the tripod with legs folded is no more of an infringement on others than carrying a monopod, walking stick or cane. Second, one doesn't have to splay the legs fully in order to gain a stable shooting platform. The footprint can be as small as one's body width, thereby avoiding any trip hazard for others. Third, the user needs to respect the rights of others (many of whom are only snap shooters) to take photographs without tripods, so don't expect people to give you a clear shot every time. Of course, if you really want that empty church look, a tripod and multiple shots from the same location will allow you to eliminate all the bodies.

So having dismissed tripods being cumbersome and a safety hazard, what other good reasons might there be for not allowing tripods? Does it mean fewer sales of postcards shot by a paid professional? Just curious...
This thread has a few comments on tripods being fo... (show quote)


Most churches and venues that garner tourist traffic will have a ban in place concerning tripods, maybe even monopods.
When I was in Paris recently, I visited a lot of churches for the photographic experience. Everyone of them banned tripod usage. Some outlying places will also have a ban, Versailles actually will confiscate your tripod or monopod until you leave. I didn't have a problem in small village churches using a tripod.

I actually did many handheld multi shots, being a human tripod, to later PP tourists out.

6 shots handheld, PP to eliminate tourists
6 shots handheld, PP to eliminate tourists...

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Dec 26, 2018 19:21:52   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
I guess using PP to merge multiple shots automatically adjusts each photo to overlay the prior one(s)?

Regarding tripods, for every person who uses one properly and courteously there are probably three who do not. The venues just take the easy way out and ban them entirely. If someone visiting the place tripped over a tripod and hurt themselves, that venue would probably be liable. My advice--follow the posted rules and learn to do without.

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Dec 26, 2018 22:29:11   #
Kristian Loc: Monrovia, CA
 
St. Thomas Episcopal Church is right across the street. It's a beautiful stone Gothic style church. If you're at St. Pat's, check it out as well. One feature is a spectacular organ case set above the entrance facing down the nave, a very traditional setting. If you're lucky someone will be playing it while you are there.

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Dec 26, 2018 22:34:07   #
Kristian Loc: Monrovia, CA
 
St. Thomas Episcopal Church is right across the street. It's a beautiful stone Gothic style church. If you're at St. Pat's, check it out as well. One feature is a spectacular organ case set above the entrance facing down the nave, a very traditional setting. If you're lucky someone will be playing it while you are there.

Sorry for the double post. I don't see a delete function in the edit window...

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Dec 26, 2018 23:13:38   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
Kristian wrote:
St. Thomas Episcopal Church is right across the street. It's a beautiful stone Gothic style church. If you're at St. Pat's, check it out as well. One feature is a spectacular organ case set above the entrance facing down the nave, a very traditional setting. If you're lucky someone will be playing it while you are there.
I agree. I was inside in May 2005 and got a few photos (but not of the organ, unfortunately).

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