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Dec 21, 2018 09:30:13   #
Firstdance_2000
 
Past Pro wrote:
God is a she??????

" There’s only one God, ma’am, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t wear a dress" - Captain America! :-)

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Dec 21, 2018 09:45:30   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 


He has a few good points. It all boils down to the question, "Which camera is best for ME?" Each brand, model, and sensor format has its unique set of features, advantages, and drawbacks.

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Dec 21, 2018 09:48:40   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
CO wrote:
#10 is not a myth. Ansel Adams would no doubt have gone to a medium format digital camera. He would have demanded a camera that has a 50-100MP sensor. Look at people like Annie Leibovitz. She uses a Nikon D810 and a Hasselblad with a 100MP back.


I'm pretty sure at least one of them would *also* use an iPhone XS Max or a top end Android device. After all, the best camera you have is the one you have with you when you need it!

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Dec 21, 2018 09:51:00   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
burkphoto wrote:
He has a few good points. It all boils down to the question, "Which camera is best for ME?" Each brand, model, and sensor format has its unique set of features, advantages, and drawbacks.



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Dec 21, 2018 10:07:14   #
Nancysc
 
The writer did describe the list as "myths".

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Dec 21, 2018 10:10:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The Full Frame doesn't have crop factor. That's not a Myth.


That is like saying the Earth doesn't have an AU factor. It does — ONE. (one Astronomical Unit = 149597870700 meters, roughly the average distance from Earth to Sun)

Using FF as a reference point of ONE is no longer as meaningful as it was a decade ago.

It was initially ONLY a crop factor because early dSLRs were just 35mm SLRs, highly modified. Kodak and others stuck a small sensor in the middle of the film plane of a Nikon or Canon, drew a rectangle on the focusing screen, and called it a digital camera. There was a "crop factor" only because the projected image cone of the lens was cropped. Photographers needed some way to equate the change in magnification from a lens on full frame to a lens on a smaller sensor, so they could choose the right lens for a scene.

A more appropriate term would have been magnification factor. Modern APS-C and Micro 4/3 cameras, used with native lenses, DO NOT CROP the projected image cone, because the lenses are designed for the format. But put a full frame lens on an APS-C body, and yes, you can say it has a crop factor… and a magnification factor.

The distinction is not just a matter of semantics, but a matter of the physics behind lens design. All other things being equal, a lens specifically designed for a given format can be optimized for that format. That APS-C and DX NATIVE lenses are often built to lower standards than their full frame equivalents is just the hubris-blind marketing of the major dSLR makers.

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Dec 21, 2018 10:15:29   #
cdayton
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Mine our more interesting and full of truthiness ...


With apologies to Colbert!

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Dec 21, 2018 10:26:20   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
OK, let's hear them. (Just in time for holiday upgrades ... )

1. Bigger pixels are better pixels

2. If you're not full-frame, you're not fully serious

3. If they weren't better, they wouldn't be more expensive

4. Film was full frame and film is still better

5. Your photography is improved by the crop factor of going full frame, 50% better for Nikon users and 60% improvement for Canon users

6. If you can't afford to go full-frame, you can't afford to go from good to great

7. You can't afford to throw away 60% of the frame

8. A cropped sensor is like drinking lite beer

9. If God had meant you to shoot cropped sensors, she wouldn't have invented 35mm film

10. Ansel Adams never would have used a cropped sensor

11. You can't get a shallow depth of field on a cropped sensor

12. If you can't tell the difference, it isn't there
OK, let's hear them. (Just in time for holiday upg... (show quote)


4. I shoot 4x5" film in my mirrorless, sensorless, 4x5" view cameras. Lenses ranging from 90mm to 210mm.

10. As far as I know Ansel never went smaller than 6x6cm (2 1/4 x 2 1/4") for his "portfolio" work, never shot 35mm. Though he might have for illustrative or testing purposes for his instructional books.

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Dec 21, 2018 10:30:13   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
OK, let's hear them. (Just in time for holiday upgrades ... )

1. Bigger pixels are better pixels

2. If you're not full-frame, you're not fully serious

3. If they weren't better, they wouldn't be more expensive

4. Film was full frame and film is still better

5. Your photography is improved by the crop factor of going full frame, 50% better for Nikon users and 60% improvement for Canon users

6. If you can't afford to go full-frame, you can't afford to go from good to great

7. You can't afford to throw away 60% of the frame

8. A cropped sensor is like drinking lite beer

9. If God had meant you to shoot cropped sensors, she wouldn't have invented 35mm film

10. Ansel Adams never would have used a cropped sensor

11. You can't get a shallow depth of field on a cropped sensor

12. If you can't tell the difference, it isn't there
OK, let's hear them. (Just in time for holiday upg... (show quote)


I think I will have these engraved on 2 stone tablets and put them at the entrance of my light room.

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Dec 21, 2018 10:30:26   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
DaveO wrote:
For those that are unsure, buy both and just nod in agreement with everybody.


That's what I did Dave, and I'm nodding...

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Dec 21, 2018 10:31:42   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
All I gotta say is this: a good big man will beat a good small man any day of the week, or to beat a dead horse: all things being equal the bigger the better the tighter the sweater.

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Dec 21, 2018 10:31:45   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
CO wrote:
No myth. Adams used 4x5 and 8x10 cameras. Scanning those films would result in more resolution than even a medium format digital camera can supply.


You know, photographers often have reasons for doing things differently.

California's Master portrait photographer of the rich and famous, Phillip Stewart Charis, famously used a large format view camera for most of his portrait career. But in the later years of his life (over a decade ago), he switched abruptly from film to digital capture and workflow.

At one of the trade shows I attended back then (PPA 2006 in Austin, TX, if I recall correctly), Charis was given a lifetime achievement award. At the same time, Photovision Video's founder and educator, Ed Pierce, presented a video detailing how Phillip switched to full frame Canon gear, with post-processing on a computer, and printing with a wide-format Epson printer. Stretched across a wide stage were nine prints — 40x30 inch family, and 30x40 inch individual portraits. The work was gorgeous. Charis made a few remarks and answered questions. He did not regret the switch... it magnified his efficiency, his control over output, and his profits, while maintaining quality and improving the consistency and repeatability of his work. He wished he were 30 years younger. He died in 2015.

I think Adams would be thrilled at the choices he would have today, as would many of his contemporaries. I agree he would probably reach for a 100 MP Hassie, just like Annie uses, but he would be equally likely to use a range of technologies, probably including large format film.

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Dec 21, 2018 10:39:04   #
PH CIB
 
Everyone serious should be shooting Large Format,,,Medium Format for Casual Users,,,Full Frame for Young Adults and Beginners, 4/3rds for Talented Children, and Cell Phones for those caught up on the treadmill of life,,,,or maybe Large Format for people with unbelievable patience,,,Medium Format as a compromise between the stunning quality of large format and the ease of versatility of Medium Format, full frame the most versatile compromise of all, crop sensor for extra reach for wildlife and sports, 4/3rds the smallest and lightest best compromise of all, and Cell Phones for those caught up on the treadmill of life....

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Dec 21, 2018 10:41:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Riverrune wrote:
I love it! But then for Ansel Adams 35mm was a cropped frame.


I would respectfully submit that before the mid-1990s, there was no such thing as a "cropped frame" format. We called cameras small format, medium format, or large format.

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Dec 21, 2018 10:45:29   #
OviedoPhotos
 
If the time spent on making silly lists like this were put to other uses we would have less division.

Its not the camera people, but the person behind it. When I got my Brownie back in the 60's as a hand me down, my uncle told me to focus on the photo not the technology. BTW, I still have said camera.

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