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Geo-tagging and its problems
Dec 13, 2018 11:54:28   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
As many of us grow older, a "good memory" is harder to hold onto. Several Hogs Geotag their shots to help them remember just where a special place was. Given this article in December's DPReview ( https://www.dpreview.com/news/5219122710/jackson-hole-travel-and-tourism-board-is-asking-visitors-to-stop-geotagging-photos?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-december-12&ref_=pe_1822230_378997350_dpr_nl_350_32 ), when we want to share our images with others via the Net, how can we mask/delete the location data for our image copy that we share?

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Dec 13, 2018 12:00:58   #
Jagnut07 Loc: South Carolina
 
The simple answer then is to stop any visitors of any kind from visiting any points of interest in nature. Then they will be preserved in a pristine manner.
/s

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Dec 13, 2018 12:40:11   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Jagnut07 wrote:
The simple answer then is to stop any visitors of any kind from visiting any points of interest in nature. Then they will be preserved in a pristine manner.
/s


A bit drastic! Any other ideas?

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Dec 13, 2018 12:47:46   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
cameraf4 wrote:
As many of us grow older, a "good memory" is harder to hold onto. Several Hogs Geotag their shots to help them remember just where a special place was. Given this article in December's DPReview ( https://www.dpreview.com/news/5219122710/jackson-hole-travel-and-tourism-board-is-asking-visitors-to-stop-geotagging-photos?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-december-12&ref_=pe_1822230_378997350_dpr_nl_350_32 ), when we want to share our images with others via the Net, how can we mask/delete the location data for our image copy that we share?
As many of us grow older, a "good memory"... (show quote)


By exporting with only name and copyright information in the Metadata.

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Dec 14, 2018 06:59:02   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
Turn geo-tagging off. Half the fun is finding these locations on your own. Today society and the younger generation expects to be spoon fed everything. If it takes work they won't do it.

I love abandoned places but never give location out as I don't believe in inviting trespassing as most of these places are owned by someone. I find a pristine area I don't want to give its location away so others who have no respect for it can leave their trash there or worse.

The problem is the trophy hunting clones on social media want attention on themselves so bad they mimic shots they see and care nothing for the environment they are photographing. You know the ones who are always posting selfies.

They have no creative vision of their own and most are done on cell phones with no planning, no composition and no skill. My rant is done.

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Dec 14, 2018 08:11:45   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
By exporting with only name and copyright information in the Metadata.


Sounds good. How do I delete info in the metadata file for the copy of the image I want to share without screwing-up the info I want to keep with the original ( the older I get I find I have an infinite capacity for "screwing-up ... kinda "gun-shy" about it )?

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Dec 14, 2018 08:15:45   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
duane klipping wrote:
Turn geo-tagging off. Half the fun is finding these locations on your own. Today society and the younger generation expects to be spoon fed everything. If it takes work they won't do it.

I love abandoned places but never give location out as I don't believe in inviting trespassing as most of these places are owned by someone. I find a pristine area I don't want to give its location away so others who have no respect for it can leave their trash there or worse.

The problem is the trophy hunting clones on social media want attention on themselves so bad they mimic shots they see and care nothing for the environment they are photographing. You know the ones who are always posting selfies.

They have no creative vision of their own and most are done on cell phones with no planning, no composition and no skill. My rant is done.
Turn geo-tagging off. Half the fun is finding the... (show quote)


A problem is, a number of these "cell-phone Ansels" don't realize that they have their phone set to geo-tag all photos, which has largely created the problem mentioned in the article. When they share, the location data is "right out there".

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Dec 14, 2018 15:05:55   #
Madchemist Loc: Nesbit, MS
 
Are these places public or private? If public...I don't get it?

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Dec 14, 2018 19:50:09   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
Both. The problem is, hordes of smartphonetoting, selfie taking tourists flock to locations because it is "the latest thing for insta." The couple who fell to their deaths at Yosemite Glacier Point view may cause the Park Service to block public access because of safety concerns, or close the iconic viewpoint all together. Thereby ruining it for everybody else.

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Dec 14, 2018 19:58:52   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
I geotag my photos using a separate GPS Logger gadget and computer software to merge the location data into the photo EXIF. I use a DSLR, not a "smart" phone. I don't post (much) to Social Media pages but put my images on Flickr (with geotags). Also, I do not use geotag information from someone else's photo as a guide for finding places to take pictures--I take pictures of where I am when traveling as the mood strikes. I generally have no idea of what anyone else has photographed in that area. And I have a hard time imagining that many vacationers peruse geotag data and deliberately go to those exact coordinates just to take a picture--if they are doing that, they really need to get a life.

Regarding eliminating the geotag data when sharing photos, many of the upload tools have options/features for doing exactly that. JASC Paint Shop Pro did it automatically and there was no way to keep it from doing it, so I migrated to Adobe Lightroom, which has the feature (a default) but can be turned off (which I do). I understand that the Corel version of PSP now enables turning off the option to delete the geotag information, though.

The only times I would want to disable moving the geotag with a photo would be if leaving it in place would jeopardize some personal privacy issue: a photo of a child at home, photos of valuables, guns, etc. where they are located, etc. Having the GPS data in such photos would make theft or assault much easier and would be best deleted.

I don't think the "problem" of too many tourists flocking to a popular photo location is generated by people like me having geotagged photos of those places. I also don't agree that I should stop putting that information out there to try to alleviate that problem.

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Dec 14, 2018 22:54:47   #
Jagnut07 Loc: South Carolina
 
David in Dallas wrote:
I geotag my photos using a separate GPS Logger gadget and computer software to merge the location data into the photo EXIF. I use a DSLR, not a "smart" phone. I don't post (much) to Social Media pages but put my images on Flickr (with geotags). Also, I do not use geotag information from someone else's photo as a guide for finding places to take pictures--I take pictures of where I am when traveling as the mood strikes. I generally have no idea of what anyone else has photographed in that area. And I have a hard time imagining that many vacationers peruse geotag data and deliberately go to those exact coordinates just to take a picture--if they are doing that, they really need to get a life.

Regarding eliminating the geotag data when sharing photos, many of the upload tools have options/features for doing exactly that. JASC Paint Shop Pro did it automatically and there was no way to keep it from doing it, so I migrated to Adobe Lightroom, which has the feature (a default) but can be turned off (which I do). I understand that the Corel version of PSP now enables turning off the option to delete the geotag information, though.

The only times I would want to disable moving the geotag with a photo would be if leaving it in place would jeopardize some personal privacy issue: a photo of a child at home, photos of valuables, guns, etc. where they are located, etc. Having the GPS data in such photos would make theft or assault much easier and would be best deleted.

I don't think the "problem" of too many tourists flocking to a popular photo location is generated by people like me having geotagged photos of those places. I also don't agree that I should stop putting that information out there to try to alleviate that problem.
I geotag my photos using a separate GPS Logger gad... (show quote)



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Feb 17, 2019 11:27:31   #
peter pat Loc: Miami Beach
 
Hi Dave,

I am new here but noticed your reference to geotag with gadget, I have been taking drive by real estate photos on the side with a point and shoot nikon that has built in gps with its geo info as well...

The company I take the photos for previously allowed me to use my dslr but suddenly required geotag info. As you may suspect my dslrs don't have this built in..nikon d7100, d5000, I would love to use my dslrs again because they produce sharper images due to better lenses..

Could you point me in the right direction? I do have a garmin etrex and thought maybe I can connect it but am hesitant to experiment and maybe fry my camera and or gps as well..

Any help or suggestion is welcome.

Thanks.

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Feb 17, 2019 11:54:39   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
peter pat wrote:
Hi Dave,

I am new here but noticed your reference to geotag with gadget, I have been taking drive by real estate photos on the side with a point and shoot nikon that has built in gps with its geo info as well...

The company I take the photos for previously allowed me to use my dslr but suddenly required geotag info. As you may suspect my dslrs don't have this built in..nikon d7100, d5000, I would love to use my dslrs again because they produce sharper images due to better lenses..

Could you point me in the right direction? I do have a garmin etrex and thought maybe I can connect it but am hesitant to experiment and maybe fry my camera and or gps as well.

If you have Lightroom use the Lightroom Mobile app to take an image with the camera app (not the iOS or Android camera app). When the image syncs with the Adobe Cloud, it will contain GPS data. Easy to bring into LR and add to your images.

Any help or suggestion is welcome.

Thanks.
Hi Dave, br br I am new here but noticed your ref... (show quote)


For a Nikon like a 7100 or 5000 you can GPS dongle that attached to one of the inputs. It will add the GPS info to the metadata.

For Lightroom users, the Lightroom Mobile app camera will add GPS data which makes it very easy to sync through the cloud and add to Lightroom Classic images.

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Feb 17, 2019 12:08:23   #
peter pat Loc: Miami Beach
 
thanks for such a rapid response..
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
For a Nikon like a 7100 or 5000 you can GPS dongle that attached to one of the inputs. It will add the GPS info to the metadata.

For Lightroom users, the Lightroom Mobile app camera will add GPS data which makes it very easy to sync through the cloud and add to Lightroom Classic images.

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Feb 17, 2019 19:31:38   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
The "gadget" I use is this: https://digital-photography-school.com/i-gotu-gt-120-gps-data-logger-review/

I usually have several of them with me because they only run about 12-15 hours on a charge and sometimes I want to capture GPS data longer than that. They also occasionally turn themselves off (or I somehow hit the switch). If the information is very important, I run 2 of them simultaneously--that way if one fails the other will get the data. They are cheap enough to have several.

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