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Dec 12, 2018 07:03:24   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
As is always the case, Zoom Lenses are a compromise. Range, speed, sharpness & distortion, cost, etc.

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Dec 12, 2018 10:02:10   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
CatMarley wrote:
Then it must have changed since I was a child and lived in the Mojave desert only a short distance from DV. Sidewinders, and Horned Toads, and an occasional Jackrabbit were rare finds, and the Coyotes raided our garbage cans stealthily in the predawn hours. Out in the Coso range you could find wild Burros, but you had to be on horseback to see them. The desert is a very quiet place. Most critters are nocturnal because it is so hot during the day except in winter. And most are small, shy and camoflaged. If you are a dedicated wildlife photographer, know when and where to find specific critters, and have lots of time and patience, you might be able to get photos of desert wildlife, but the rocks are a heck of a lot easier to shoot. Lugging a big old tele in hopes of capturing these shy retiring critters would lead mostly to a sore neck and a lot of disappointment, at least in the Mojave Desert I am familiar with.
Then it must have changed since I was a child and ... (show quote)




You need a lot of patience/time, and you have to be extremely well-acquainted with the habits of the wildlife you are looking to shoot. That being said, I almost ran over a road runner on an entrance ramp to the 101 from San Marcos Pass Rd. Ya never know where you're gonna strike gold! Or a road runner.

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Dec 12, 2018 10:37:00   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
rbmitch123 wrote:
I have a Death Valley trip planned. To get the sharpest shots with my d810 is there a noticeable difference between the nikkor 24-70mm f2.8 and the Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5 at the wide angle range? Both are AF lenses.


The 24-70mm f2.8 is by far the lens to have. It is clearly a superior lens for wide angle. I use it as my go to lens for almost everything. At 70mm on my D800, I can crop the image to the equivalent of plus-200mm and still make sharp 16" x 20" prints and larger. At 24mm uncropped, I can go to at least 24" x 36" (I don't have access to paper rolls wider than 36") and maintain high quality.

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Dec 12, 2018 11:57:46   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
I looked back at my Death Valley photos over 5 years. 90% were with my 16-35 on my D800.

The wildlife ones were with my 200-500 (well, three years) on my D5300. Roadrunners and coyotes mostly, and a few birds of prey.

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Dec 12, 2018 13:16:46   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
Add my name to the list of those underwhelmed by my 28-300. I bought it for situations where I need to quickly cover the entire zoom range. I've since adapted to carrying 2 bodies instead.

While I have no first-hand experience with it, positive reviews of the 24-120 abound.

Have you considered using a tele-converter with your 24-70?

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Dec 12, 2018 13:57:45   #
rbmitch123
 
No. Maybe I’ll check it out. Does the teleconverter negate the exception glass of 24-70mm?

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Dec 12, 2018 14:54:45   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
rbmitch123 wrote:
No. Maybe I’ll check it out. Does the teleconverter negate the exception glass of 24-70mm?

The primary effect is it will reduce your maximum aperture by the factor of the converter, be it 1.4, 1.7 or 2.0. At worst, your maximum aperture will become 4 instead of 2.8.
As I do not own one, I can't speak to any adverse effect on image quality.

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Dec 12, 2018 23:37:56   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Gene51 wrote:
Yes, I am hard on that lens - because it isn't as sharp as what I typically use. If you haven't used a 300mm F2.8 or even a 70-200 F2.8 with a 1.4 TC - you have no real basis for comparison. I much prefer my old Sigma 100-300 F4 lens - which is tack sharp, at F5.6 and blows away the 28-300 over the same focal length range. When it was released there was no high mp DSLR - we had a D3S, D700, D300. There was a 24 mp D3X, but it was primarily a studio camera, due to it's slow handling. The 28-300 looks "ok" when used with a 12 mp crop camera, like a D300. But buying something like that for a D810? Probably not the best way to spend money.

I don't make stuff like this up -

https://photographylife.com/lenses/nikon-af-s-nikkor-28-300mm-f3-5-5-6g-ed-vr

The first comment in the reader responses is precious, "Another lens in my arsenal, practical but lot’s of distortion and visible chromatic aberration. I use my 24-70 F2.8 a lot more, picture quality is superior I think, especially when using a D800 which really shine with the best lenses." It seems I am not alone.

Actually, Gene, I have a 70-200 f2.8. Not the current model, but the previous model. Based on what you've posted in the past, I had expected a great leap in quality over the 28-300 as I expected. I was greatly disappointed and haven't used it much since. I even checked it on my tripod and using various settings. The one thing that I have not done yet is fine tune it.



Oh, here is another one:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/42030713

And the author couldn't be clearer when he writes "Sharpness is a common question, and we all know you need the best glass to make the D800 really shine. Lets get this out of the way, the 28-300 isn't a really sharp lens and the corners are mush. There is also a lot of coma." He goes on to say, ". . . it struggles in low-light. Its probably the only lens that I have that with the D800, it hunts and sometimes just gives up. Still, I was able to get some decent results when the light is decent."

Now this guy is ok with using it as a travel camera, and for not critical situations, where convenience takes precedence to the need for image quality. And that says that is it not a good first choice.

This guy also had very mixed feelings:

https://blog.mingthein.com/2012/04/26/review-a-controversial-lens-the-nikon-afs-28-3003-5-5-6-vr-g/

"Mine isn’t so hot at 28mm – in fact, it’s downright crappy (flare, aberrations, lack of sharpness and contrast) at 28mm until f5.6; curiously, you can manual focus it to a sharper image – however, using that AF-fine tune calibration throws out every other focal length. From 35mm to 200mm or so, this lens is right up there with the rest of them – it’s sharp, contrasty, and has plenty of bite. It’s lacking micro contrast though, which I suspect is a consequence of having a huge number of elements and air-glass interfaces: a little bit of contrast is lost at each one, no matter how good your coating is. Above 200mm, things soften to the point that 300mm isn’t that good wide open, and requires f8 to be useable."

His experience was a little different than mine when using a D700 and a D800 - he actually found it was a little better, stopped down, on a D800. I tried 3 different copies and saw just the opposite. He also is right on the money with AF-Fine Tune - something that I have been saying for years - it is not a good solution since fixing one focal length/distance affects all other focal lengths and distances - but this the subject of another thread.

Last, but not least, there are these two reviews:

http://www.opticallimits.com/nikon_ff/578-nikkorafs28300vrff

https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Nikon/AF-S-NIKKOR-28-300mm-f-3.5-5.6-ED-VR-mounted-on-Nikon-D810__963

It's really hard to come away after reading these evaluations and testing three different copies of this lens on 3 bodies - D300, D700, D800) thinking it is anything but mediocre at best - with all sorts of caveats.

At $950, it's a lot of money to spend on a so-so lens. No bias here, just facts and personal experience.
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Gene, I have the previous model of the 70-200mm f2.8, but was not impressed with the results I got from it even using my tripod and various settings. It did not exceed what I was getting from the 28-300. The one thing I haven't done with it was fine tune it, however.

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Dec 13, 2018 08:07:31   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
SteveR wrote:
Gene, I have the previous model of the 70-200mm f2.8, but was not impressed with the results I got from it even using my tripod and various settings. It did not exceed what I was getting from the 28-300. The one thing I haven't done with it was fine tune it, however.

Your results are polar opposite of mine, the caveat being I have the newer 70/200 2.8FL.
I usually shoot for my business (wedding flowers), and I find it sharp, but with pleasing bokeh as I mostly shoot wide open.
I find my 70/200 superior to my 28/300 in every way, other than the zoom range. One unanticipated difference is focus speed. Every time I've had the 70/200 on my camera and switch to another lens, I sigh when I try to take the next shot and have to wait for the lens to acquire focus.
I will say that I have slightly better luck with the 28/300 on my d7100 than my d750. Could be the smaller sensor, or perhaps the lack of the anti-alias filter. I am just not sure. But it does not impress me, particularly with sharpness.
It's been on my mind to sell/trade it and get a longer zoom to compliment the 70/200.

Are you listening, Santa???

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Dec 13, 2018 08:44:20   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
SteveR wrote:
Gene, I have the previous model of the 70-200mm f2.8, but was not impressed with the results I got from it even using my tripod and various settings. It did not exceed what I was getting from the 28-300. The one thing I haven't done with it was fine tune it, however.


Steve, I've used the VR II and will soon get the FL - but both were up to pro standards. The three 28-300s that I considered were definitely not. I had the NPS loaner for 2 weeks - and I could not get happy results. I don't have experience with the VR, but I also owned the 80-200 AF-S and it too exceeded the 28-300.

I never fine tune anything. Fine tuning with a single adjustment at a single focal length and a single distance mucks everything else up. Too many lenses and too many bodies (over time) to go around fine tuning everything. Besides, neither Nikon nor Canon recommend DIY fine tuning as a permanent solution anyway. I do ensure that the lenses and bodies are working fine when I get a new one or when I suspect a problem. But my solution over the past 10 yrs has been to send the suspected faulty piece(s) to Nikon, Sigma or Tamron for repair and fine tuning. All of my lenses work with all of my cameras extremely well, and all the bodies have no fine tuning applied.

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Dec 13, 2018 08:47:56   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Your results are polar opposite of mine, the caveat being I have the newer 70/200 2.8FL.
I usually shoot for my business (wedding flowers), and I find it sharp, but with pleasing bokeh as I mostly shoot wide open.
I find my 70/200 superior to my 28/300 in every way, other than the zoom range. One unanticipated difference is focus speed. Every time I've had the 70/200 on my camera and switch to another lens, I sigh when I try to take the next shot and have to wait for the lens to acquire focus.
I will say that I have slightly better luck with the 28/300 on my d7100 than my d750. Could be the smaller sensor, or perhaps the lack of the anti-alias filter. I am just not sure. But it does not impress me, particularly with sharpness.
It's been on my mind to sell/trade it and get a longer zoom to compliment the 70/200.

Are you listening, Santa???
Your results are polar opposite of mine, the cavea... (show quote)


When you use it on a smaller sensor, only the middle of the lens is used, and this lens can have decent center sharpness. It does not have good contrast at any aperture, distance or focal length, the flare can be awful, and I don't think I have ever used a lens with that much CA.

Are you asking Santa for the 180-400?

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Dec 13, 2018 08:54:13   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Add my name to the list of those underwhelmed by my 28-300. I bought it for situations where I need to quickly cover the entire zoom range. I've since adapted to carrying 2 bodies instead.

While I have no first-hand experience with it, positive reviews of the 24-120 abound.

Have you considered using a tele-converter with your 24-70?


Terrible idea. Real possibility of accidentally zooming to 24 and breaking the rear element of the lens and/or the front element of the TC.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4132386

Nikon prevents their TCs from being used with th 24-70, and while it can physically mount the Kenko TC, Kenko does not list it as compatible.

http://www.kenkoglobal.com/photo/Total_Compatibility_Table_PDF.pdf

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Dec 13, 2018 08:55:34   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
The primary effect is it will reduce your maximum aperture by the factor of the converter, be it 1.4, 1.7 or 2.0. At worst, your maximum aperture will become 4 instead of 2.8.
As I do not own one, I can't speak to any adverse effect on image quality.


Doesn't work at all.

For a 2X converter, you will lose 2 stops, not one. Only the 1.4 will give you F4 on a F2.8 lens

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Dec 13, 2018 09:06:36   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
rbmitch123 wrote:
I have a Death Valley trip planned. To get the sharpest shots with my d810 is there a noticeable difference between the nikkor 24-70mm f2.8 and the Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5 at the wide angle range? Both are AF lenses.


One lens that comes to mind that could work is an old 28-105 F3.5 to F4.5 AF-D lens. I had a good copy and it was more than adequate on my D800. You can find clean copies for around $150. The bonus with this lens is that it has a 1:2 macro range.

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Dec 13, 2018 09:16:31   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
With a D810 you should be ashamed of using the 28-300. That camera deserves the 24-70. with that tool you can crop in as far as necessary. The 28-300 is amazing in that wow that's a lot of range, but the reality of that lens is it deserves no more than a 6 meg sensor. and yes I'm jealous, have a great trip with my dream equipment, 24-70mm and D810, wow.

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