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Dec 4, 2018 13:19:04   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
Hi Vickie
Just to let you know what I use in my 7D I use SanDisk Extreme Pro card they are rated 16GB 90Mb Read/Write UDMA7 I bought them a few years back and expensive, now B&H has them for $24.95 each.

I don’t want to tell you what I paid for these Extreme Pro came out.

It’s hard to find high quality 4GB cards anymore and it’s getting hard to find 8GB cards too.

I have stayed with the SanDisk line I trust them I have never had a problem with their CF card yet. I did on a microSD for a phone once I called them SanDisk sent me a new card that same day.

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Dec 4, 2018 13:24:15   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
vicksart wrote:
Thanks for taking time to reply to this post everyone. It was a relief to learn it might be possible to retrieve lost images from the CF card. I looked at the sites mentioned in your responses as well as calling a local camera shop for advice.

For Richard: I did put the card back in the camera to check for photos. The "No Image" message came up each time I tried it. The cable I ended up trying to use was still in its original packaging and should have been trouble free, but it was after using it that the images disappeared.

My final approach was to take it to the camera shop since I didn't want to risk making a mistake. If I'd only had my usual assortment of random photos on the card, I might have been tempted to try to fix it. Everything on the card was from a Pet Portrait fundraiser, RAW files shot yesterday. People had paid in advance for photos which, so far, I'm not able to provide. I hope the camera shop comes through. They quoted $70 to do the repair until they noticed that the card has free manufacturer repair warranty. At this point, there was nothing to lose by going that route, and I have learned that there are recovery systems out there for all kinds of technical issues.

Thanks again for the great advice. I should know Friday or Saturday whether I'll have photos to edit. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Hopefully, you've dodged a bullet on this one. Work on modifying your production workflow to include some sort of in the field backup. A Western Digital My Passport Wireless or LaCie DJI Boss with a CF card reader and USB cable will enable on the fly archiving in the field. Whatever the drive costs is less expense and heartache recovering from hardware failures.

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Dec 4, 2018 13:43:14   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
vicksart wrote:
History: I took a lot of shots with my Canon 7D and filled the CF card yesterday. I deleted what I didn't want and continued to shoot without filling the card. When I got home, I reviewed the images in the camera and deleted more that I didn't want because they were either redundant or out of focus. When I was ready to upload to the computer (MacBook 2014), I put the CF card in a "Sunpak" card reader and plugged into a USB port before following my usual steps which were: open Elements 13 Organizer, click "Import", click "from Camera or Card Reader." At this point, I kept getting <None Detected> no device found. I plugged the card reader into the other USB port and followed the same steps and got the same result. As an alternative, I put the card back in the camera and plugged the camera in with the USB cable. I still wasn't able to use the Elements 13 download, but the connection started working in another window that showed the computer was processing in excess of 33,000 images! I doubted neither the CF card nor the computer disk has room for that many, so I pushed "stop" to close down the import (or whatever it was doing) in that section. The new photos weren't included in that operation as far as I know, and none of the old photos that came through before I stopped the process appeared to be on the computer unless they're double images in the photo section.

The main problem: The CF card no longer has any images on it. I didn't think I told the computer to delete anything (I usually do that in the camera by reformatting when I'm sure everything has transferred to the computer). Obviously I did something horribly wrong.

Any ideas what I did to delete the card? Did closing the download by hitting "stop" erase the card? Would it be possible to find the images that seem to be lost or are they truly gone forever? If the images are to be found, where should I look (I believe I've looked at all of the files on the computer). I should mention that the computer iPhone and tablet are linked to some degree and appear to trade photos. The shots I took yesterday are not on the other devices.
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Do you have cloud back-up to any of your devices? Perhaps your images are retrievable via your iPhone or iTablet. I have all Windows (and Android) PC and Comm devices. I've heard rumors by some on the UHH that it is possible to corrupt a card by deleting or editing too much on it in-camera. Most seem to feel that is not likely but you may have had it happen. Personally, I shoot very conservatively like as if I were shooting film (old habits die slow or not at all), for me a good day is 180 images. Even shooting RAW (always), I've never come close to filling the 32 and 64 GB SanDisk cards I use. In fact I delete very little in-camera, I first upload everything via ACR to my HDD then delete any really horrible exposures. If and when Adobe Bridge or Adobe Camera Raw are acting up, and they do sometimes mainly I think because I use many cameras of several brands, I can manually go to and copy the images from the camera to the HDD using Windows 10 Explorer. The Search features of a MAC can do the same; manually copy image files with your O/S if they are on the card. Hopefully someone knows your specific problem and can help you. But do not REFORMAT your card in-camera or in-MAC until you get your images or are POSITIVE they are all gone.

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Dec 4, 2018 13:51:27   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
TriX wrote:
My concern about deleting shots in camera is that it is easy on a small LCD screen to make a mistake and delete all - I prefer to do my file editing on the computer.


I second this. COPY your files from camera to computer FIRST. Don't do any file manipulation in-camera or on the memory card. Matter of fact, if files are important, make TWO copies of them.
Once you have saved them off-camera, then you can delete them or just format the card.

The memory card, in-camera or out, should not be a long-term storage site.

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Dec 4, 2018 13:59:54   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
If you never plugged your camera directly into your computer before, it probably started up one of the Canon programs (such as ImageBrowser) by default, which then started to compile a catalog of ALL the images on your computer.... hence the 33,000 images.

I doubt there is anything wrong with your memory card or that the images are actually lost.

It is not a good idea to delete images from a memory card unless absolutely necessary (i.e., running out of space and don't have extra cards). It is too easy to accidentally delete the better image or more than one image... and may even be possible to corrupt the memory card.

Best to download all your images to your computer, then use the larger monitor screen to sort through and delete the ones you don't want. That's much better/safer than trying to do it in-camera or with camera tethered.

I'd suggest you turn off ALL the "auto download" features you have set up on you computer, ESPECIALLY those in Lightroom or Elements.

Instead, use your computer operating system:

1. Before you even insert the memory card, set up a folder to receive the new images (however you organize your images... that's up to you).

2. Insert card in reader. If anything automatically tries to download the images, cancel it.

3. Navigate to and open the card in your computers OS... such as Windows Explorer or whatever Macs use now (I haven't used a Mac in about 20 years).

NOTE:I t's possible to set up your computer to do this by default, any time a memory card is detected.

4. Look for a folder on the memory card called "DCIM" and click on that (ignore the "MISC" folder you'll also see).

5. Look for a folder named something like "100EOS7D" and click on that (ignore the "EOSMISC" folder). You should now see a list of all the images.

NOTE: There may be more than one folder: "101EOS7D", "102EOS7D", etc. The camera automatically creates add'l folders when the file numbering system requires it. Be sure to check inside and copy from each, if there are multiples.

6. Highlight all the images (click on one to highlight it and then use "Ctrl A" to highlight all the rest). Then drag and drop them to the folder you created.

NOTE: In Windows, drag and drop using the mouse's left click button will automatically "copy" images.... while drag and drop with right click will bring up a menu giving choices... in either case, always "copy".... don't "move" images. Moving them removes them from the memory card and you don't want to do that yet. Copy leaves the original on the card, just in case there's a problem with copying them to your computer.

7. Let the system complete copying the images, then point Elements organizer to the images and tell it to import them (or however that's done in Elements... I use Lightroom and am using that terminology, but I imagine Elements is similar).

8. Once you confirm the images have been safely copied to your computer and have backed them up in whatever manner you use, it's safe to delete the ones on your memory card. I recommend you do that by using "format" in your camera (ONLY in the camera where the card will again be used... NEVER format in your computer or in another camera... this "prepares" the card for use in that particular camera). Personally I usually don't format my memory cards until I go to use them again.... The first thing I do whenever I swap a card into my camera during a shoot is "review" one image to be certain they are images that have already been copied off the card.... then when I'm sure, I format the card (some cameras... not sure about 7D... can do a "deep format" which takes longer. That's usually unnecessary... a quick "normal" formatting suffices).

Formatting in-camera doesn't really erase images. Instead it marks them as "okay to over-write". If you accidentally format, all is not lost. The images are still recoverable until you start using the card and sending new images to it. (Even then, it may be possible to recover images that haven't been over-written yet.)

All this takes far longer to write and read than it takes to actually do it. Using the OS data transfer method described soon becomes second nature and is pretty foolproof. There are just too many ways that "auto downloads" can screw up or be set incorrectly. I don't trust them!

Note: If you shoot JPEGs, you can see small thumbnails of them in Windows Explorer and can enlarge and view them in Windows Picture Viewer. But if you shoot RAW (CR2 in your case), those are not directly viewable, will appear with a "generic" icon on lists. HOWEVER, there are "codecs" you can install that make possible viewing thumbnails and even enlarging RAW files (unfinished, so color, contrast, etc. will be off... but useful to check focus, composition, etc.) At one time Canon had a codec they offered for free. I used it for a while on an old computer, but when I went to a 64bit operating system, it would no longer work and Canon didn't seem to have any interest in updating it. I've heard there are some other codecs available free from Microsoft and elsewhere, but AFAIK they are fairly restricted in what they can handle and I have no idea how well they work or if any of them are able to deal with Canon CR2 files.

I use a codec called FastPictureViewer. It costs all of $10 and allows almost every known type of RAW file to be previewed right in Windows, without having to open Elements, Lightroom, Photoshop, etc. It also allows direct viewing of TIFF, PSD and some other image file types that Windows can't normally "see". It has worked great with every type of RAW file (and others) that I've thwon at it and is well worth the money, IMO. I use it on three computers. https://www.fastpictureviewer.com/codecs/

P.S. If you need image recovery software, send me a PM. I have a bunch of licenses for Lexar Image Rescue that came free with memory cards I've bought over the years. Normally it costs about $50 for Image Rescue, but all you need to activate it is the license number (after downloading and installing from http://www.lexar.com/support/downloads/). I have used it and it works. I only need one copy, so am happy to share some of the 8 or 10 extras I got for free!
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"Note: If you shoot JPEGs, you can see small thumbnails of them in Windows Explorer and can enlarge and view them in Windows Picture Viewer. But if you shoot RAW (CR2 in your case), those are not directly viewable, will appear with a "generic" icon on lists."

Actually that is not true on a Windows PC (not sure about Mac), I installed a CODEX as you began to say, but from Microsoft and I can view thumbnails of most RAW files by any brand, even Canon CR and CR2 files, and I don't even own a Canon camera (have Pentax, Fuji, Samsung).

"HOWEVER, there are "codecs" you can install that make possible viewing thumbnails and even enlarging RAW files (unfinished, so color, contrast, etc. will be off... but useful to check focus, composition, etc.) At one time Canon had a codec they offered for free. I used it for a while on an old computer, but when I went to a 64bit operating system, it would no longer work and Canon didn't seem to have any interest in updating it. I've heard there are some other codecs available free from Microsoft and elsewhere, but AFAIK they are fairly restricted in what they can handle and I have no idea how well they work or if any of them are able to deal with Canon CR2 files."

Yes. Though she has a Mac, and I'm not sure there are O/S Codecies like that for Mac users. Anyone know?

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Dec 4, 2018 14:40:01   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
If you see there are certain number of items with Win File Explorer but could not view them. They may be hidden, use Google to search "how to read hidden files". Yours might not be the case, but worth a try.

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Dec 4, 2018 15:27:45   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
robertjerl wrote:
In future I suggest you have extra cards so you don't have to do that in camera delete stuff, as stated on those tiny little screens it is easy to misread or select the wrong command.

I did once accidentally erase a CF card before I had downloaded all the images. I used an image recovery program I bought on sale a few years ago "just in case". It found a couple of thousand images, some as old as 4 years. Of course a fair % were not complete or downloadable but the ones I wanted were all there being the latest. Strangely enough some of the oldest were also recoverable because they were from when I was first learning to use my 7DII and had been doing up to 1000+ images a day doing bursts of water birds and so were in parts of the card's memory that I never wrote images to since then.
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This was my thought as well.
Never delete in camera.
Carry extra CF card(s).
Download to computer confirm they are down loaded then you can format the card for future use.

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Dec 4, 2018 15:36:52   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
I agree with that practice. I don’t think I ever deleted more than a few images in the camera since going digital. After uploading via a reader I reformat the card in camera. Never had an issue with a memory card in 18 years of digital experience. I have inadvertently flipped the side switch a few times on SD cards.
Mark

Architect1776 wrote:
This was my thought as well.
Never delete in camera.
Carry extra CF card(s).
Download to computer confirm they are down loaded then you can format the card for future use.

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Dec 4, 2018 15:45:22   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
lsaguy wrote:
Vickie, When a file is deleted the operating system replaces the first character of the file name with a question mark.


I don't know if things have changed, but it used to be the Greek letter sigma. Peter Norton discovered this and made a fortune with his unerase program.

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Dec 4, 2018 18:33:19   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
There appears to have been a bug that was triggered when the card filled up. Try the recovery programs mentioned by the others. If one doesn't work, try others. It may take more than one.

Good Luck!

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Dec 4, 2018 19:19:32   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
I thought I'd add one more comment to what I've already said but others haven't talked about yet. Recovering data from a card can be done in some cases and I've done it twice after formatting a card not realizing that I hadn't (NOT) downloaded them. I use Lexar cards and each one comes with a serial number code that can be used with their downloadable recovery software. I downloaded it, entered the s/n and had it retrieve the formatted files from the Lexar CF card. The thing I want to point out is that this took hours to do. Seriously, hours! It also renamed all the files in it's own naming convention. They no longer had the same naming convention as my Canon camera used. Just wanted to point this out.

One other thing is that you'll be lucky if they actually do recover anything from your card because most cards might have a warranty for the actual card itself, I've never heard of a warranty that recovers the lost data from a card. So I'll be especially interested in the make of card and how this turns out if they actually do recover any files.

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Dec 4, 2018 20:30:24   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
I delete pictures in the camera all the time with no problem. When I get the message in PSE when importing that there is "no device is found" the first thing I check now is if the card has the lock tab somewhere between open and locked. That is that problem most of the time, especially on the SD card in one camera. Was that checked?

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Dec 4, 2018 20:39:59   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
hassighedgehog wrote:
I delete pictures in the camera all the time with no problem. When I get the message in PSE when importing that there is "no device is found" the first thing I check now is if the card has the lock tab somewhere between open and locked. That is that problem most of the time, especially on the SD card in one camera. Was that checked?


It’s a CF card with no switch (and the switch on SD cards protects against writing, not reading).

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Dec 4, 2018 21:03:26   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
AzPicLady wrote:
Vicki, I offer no assistance; only sympathy. I know what it's like to do a paid shoot, only to have NOTHING to give back. It's a real sinking into a puddle feeling! I hope the camera repair guy can recover your images. I've been lucky 2 of 3 times in recovering items off a hard drive. Not so lucky the third time and lost an entire trip!


Wow yes, happened to me once as well, back in the film days, LSS, the lab was able to save me, now, with digital and cards, I don't know.... yea...……. Fingers crossed with you!!!

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Dec 5, 2018 05:51:30   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
vicksart wrote:
History: I took a lot of shots with my Canon 7D and filled the CF card yesterday. I deleted what I didn't want and continued to shoot without filling the card. When I got home, I reviewed the images in the camera and deleted more that I didn't want because they were either redundant or out of focus. When I was ready to upload to the computer (MacBook 2014), I put the CF card in a "Sunpak" card reader and plugged into a USB port before following my usual steps which were: open Elements 13 Organizer, click "Import", click "from Camera or Card Reader." At this point, I kept getting <None Detected> no device found. I plugged the card reader into the other USB port and followed the same steps and got the same result. As an alternative, I put the card back in the camera and plugged the camera in with the USB cable. I still wasn't able to use the Elements 13 download, but the connection started working in another window that showed the computer was processing in excess of 33,000 images! I doubted neither the CF card nor the computer disk has room for that many, so I pushed "stop" to close down the import (or whatever it was doing) in that section. The new photos weren't included in that operation as far as I know, and none of the old photos that came through before I stopped the process appeared to be on the computer unless they're double images in the photo section.

The main problem: The CF card no longer has any images on it. I didn't think I told the computer to delete anything (I usually do that in the camera by reformatting when I'm sure everything has transferred to the computer). Obviously I did something horribly wrong.

Any ideas what I did to delete the card? Did closing the download by hitting "stop" erase the card? Would it be possible to find the images that seem to be lost or are they truly gone forever? If the images are to be found, where should I look (I believe I've looked at all of the files on the computer). I should mention that the computer iPhone and tablet are linked to some degree and appear to trade photos. The shots I took yesterday are not on the other devices.
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I or someone else should have pointed this out early in this thread. Do not ever totally "fill" up any storage device as it may corrupt the device (allocation table) and it may become in operable. Related to this is why a computer with a nearly "full" HDD runs incredibly slow if at all. The specifics of that get complicated.

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