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Dec 4, 2018 07:08:19   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
I have never seen this here. I know that when shooting negative film you use black masks to make double exposures. When using digital what color masks do you use, black masks or white masks?

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Dec 4, 2018 07:38:18   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I used to do double exposures by winding the film back and shooting again.

http://digital-photography-school.com/creating-double-exposures-using-flash/
http://www.diyphotography.net/create-digital-double-exposure-portraits/
http://www.popphoto.com/how-to/2014/04/how-to-shoot-camera-double-exposure-photo
http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/double-multiple-exposure-photography-tutorials/
And you can use Photoshop.
http://petapixel.com/2014/07/15/tutorial-effective-workflow-for-creating-double-exposures...

From an unknown Nikon manual -



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Dec 4, 2018 08:47:08   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
Thanks close but no cigar. I know how to do double exposures in camera. ( I've been doing it for 40 years as a wedding photographer.) My question was for in camera digital not with PS. My Nikon has a setting for DE. My question was what color mask should be used for digital. With negative film you use black masks for slide film you use a white mask. So with digital what color mask do you use, Black or White?

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Dec 4, 2018 10:20:55   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
sploppert wrote:
I have never seen this here. I know that when shooting negative film you use black masks to make double exposures. When using digital what color masks do you use, black masks or white masks?

Find someone who knows how to use a camera, have them try both, and tell you which is best.

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Dec 4, 2018 11:26:15   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
When I do a double exposure (portrait or stuff like it) I usually take two distinct captures using the same background, the color does not matter unless I seek a 'look'. I then use post processing to merge the two in a larger canvas (create a new document and position the two images - after adjustments onto it).

I also use post processing to merge two or images. This process is usually referred to as composite. At the point selection, masking and blend if are my tools of choice (PS CC).

PP Sample (composites)
001 - not a reference of 'greatness', far from it - 2 samples
002 - Using blend if and masking. I did not take any of these images, I pulled them from the WEB.
003 - A slightly more complex and imperfect merging of two images using PP. I did not take any of these images, I pulled them from the WEB.

If you are simply referring to shooting twice on the same capture any mask, shape, color or orientation will do. You are the limit. There is no point to this anymore as the reason for this technique was to limit post processing cost when digital did not exist.

By the way, you are the first I see that mentions using white mask for slides. The exposure is always additive so I really do not see why you use that at all. Beside the mask will be 'colored' only at the seam and then turn to black. (Teaching moment for you?)

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Dec 4, 2018 13:02:27   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
sploppert wrote:
I have never seen this here. I know that when shooting negative film you use black masks to make double exposures. When using digital what color masks do you use, black masks or white masks?
I think you maybe confusing two different things. You used masks in the darkroom for feathering and other purposes and when shooting, to block out certain areas of the image, but none where used for multiple exposures, except if you wanted the same person multiple times in a picture. Shooting with digital does not make a lot of difference, you just set your camera for it (just like it was with film) and its all done in camera, no masks needed! But with digital you do have the choice of doing it afterwards, in post!

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Dec 5, 2018 07:38:04   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
Leitz wrote:
Find someone who knows how to use a camera, have them try both, and tell you which is best.


I know how to use a camera, I've been shooting professionally for over40 years. Sounds to me you don't know how to use a camera other wise you wouldn't have sent such a stupid reply.

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Dec 5, 2018 09:05:45   #
CaptainPhoto
 
Here we go again. Now Play Nice guys.

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Dec 5, 2018 09:34:16   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I hope I can help.

Are you referring to masking off an area by means of a matte-box or compendium lens shade in front of the lens retaining a mask. When making an in-camera multiple exposure, I would use a BLACK mask- sort of a black vignetter. In a hitch, I would use a black glove and "dodge" out an area or a dark slide from the film holder. I would the place the secondary image in the dodged out space. I used the same technique with both color negative and transparency films with both low and high key subjects. I have done this with digital gear as well.

When you refer to a "color" mask, perhas this is a process which I am not familiar with- please explain- sounds interesting! I have made a second exposure of a colored card to create a tint, a kind of fog layer- sort of an overlay fro some experimental work.

Let me know what you think.

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Dec 5, 2018 10:12:16   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I hope I can help.

Are you referring to masking off an area by means of a matte-box or compendium lens shade in front of the lens retaining a mask. When making an in-camera multiple exposure, I would use a BLACK mask- sort of a black vignetter. In a hitch, I would use a black glove and "dodge" out an area or a dark slide from the film holder. I would the place the secondary image in the dodged out space. I used the same technique with both color negative and transparency films with both low and high key subjects. I have done this with digital gear as well.

When you refer to a "color" mask, perhas this is a process which I am not familiar with- please explain- sounds interesting! I have made a second exposure of a colored card to create a tint, a kind of fog layer- sort of an overlay fro some experimental work.

Let me know what you think.
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Yes that is how I do it too with a matt box. I just never done it with digital. I was just wondering if someone here has ever tried it. Thanks yoou answered my question.

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Dec 5, 2018 12:03:38   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
sploppert wrote:
I have never seen this here. I know that when shooting negative film you use black masks to make double exposures. When using digital what color masks do you use, black masks or white masks?


With Nikon, you must shoot in Raw, you can combine any two shots on the memory card. It is a great system. I shoot the moon, and as you know, the rest of the area is black (unexposed) I can put that moon in any sky I choose as long as it is in the same memory card.

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Dec 5, 2018 12:24:09   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I'm not really clear on what you want to do.
It sounds like you want to take one exposure, maybe masking something out with a physical mask, then take another exposure, masking some other area. Is that what you want to do?

The mask is there to block some areas of the subject. I would guess it should be black. Otherwise you will get some light on the sensor in areas you don't want it.

Personally, I find it much easier to do double (or more) exposures in Photoshop. You can control and modify the masks after the exposure, and in the comfort of your home. The masks are virtual, and you can modify them in the computer. In Photoshop, black on a mask excludes an area and white includes an area. Grey on a mask will allow you to mix two images, similar to a double exposure without masking.

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Dec 5, 2018 17:06:16   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
Thanks everyone for the response. I prefer to do my DE in camera the way I've always have done with film. It takes much less time doing it that way then with PP. I just never saw this question on here before, Thanks again

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Dec 5, 2018 20:49:53   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
sploppert wrote:
I know how to use a camera, I've been shooting professionally for over40 years. Sounds to me you don't know how to use a camera other wise you wouldn't have sent such a stupid reply.

I could have suggested a more logical reason why you didn't try it yourself, but did not wish to appear impolite.

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