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Oct 26, 2018 10:59:47   #
joseph premanandan
 
i suggest that you consider either Fuji X-T1 or Fuji-XT3 .you can also buy Fuji lenses at moderate price.it is very versatile, easy to carry around, less intimidating.the
electronic view finder,the auto &manual focus, the ISOs,the focus points and the ability to take pictures in low light situations without a tripod is amazing.good luck.

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Oct 26, 2018 11:02:03   #
AndyT Loc: Hampstead, New Hampshire
 
rjaywallace wrote:
Consider mirrorless cameras from Fujifilm - X-T2 (probably used) or the new X-T3. Great features, exceptional image quality, creative options.


I agree with rjwallace. I have the excellent Fuji X-T2, and keep one lens on all the time. No fumbling or missing shots while changing lenses. The 18-135. Great image quality, excellent ergonomics. I think I paid $2700 for camera (platinum edition), lens, card and spare battery. The XT-20 was less, but not as much camera.

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Oct 26, 2018 11:19:37   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
MT Shooter wrote:
If you are needing "smaller and lighter" than a D5300 then you will have to look at the M4/3s choices as the Nikons are Pro build Magnesium weather sealed bodies and they are larger and heavier than the D5000 series cameras. Even the Canon EOS R Full frame mirrorless is larger and heavier even though its a plastic body.


Since smaller an and lighter seem major criteria, M4/3 seems the way to go. The new FF mirrorless cameras are not going to be lighter. The D5300 body is already lighter than the new FF mirrorless line up by around 1/4 LB. Some of the M4/3 are close to 1/2 the weight of these new offerings.

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Oct 26, 2018 11:27:53   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
About the only moving part that matters in the 'worn out' category is the shutter activation count. Shutters can easily be refurbed to factory specifications. The threading in lense barrels do not wear out in any serious way.


Bill_de wrote:
but they are about worn out.

How did you determine that?

Surprises are nice, but unless your daughter-in-law thinks it's a good time to go mirrorless she may have to force a smile on her face as she turns 50.

If she has indicated it's time to go mirrorless, I think the Z6 would be a good fit. I obviously haven't handled one, but I am confident enough that I have a Z6 w/24-70 on order.

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Oct 26, 2018 11:37:54   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
suntouched wrote:
Have you considered the new Nikon mirrorless system, especially the less expensive one that is soon to be released? That and the mid length lens might be an excellent package along with an adapter so she can continue to use her present Nikon lenses.


I would second that very sensible suggestion!

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Oct 26, 2018 13:01:35   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
JRowe wrote:
Thanks for the thoughtful replies. My son and I thought we would take a trip to the very good local camera store and have her try several, but wanted to learn more about mirrorless systems and narrow the field a bit. I have bought on line, but think this is a good chance to “buy local.”


I agree with many of the comments in this thread about giving her a gift certificate, or letting her choose.

If she wants mirrorless, then I would HIGHLY recommend the Fujifilm X series of mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. The Fuji XT-3 or XT-20 are excellent choices, for example. Their lenses (currently 43 and growing) are very high quality.

The Fuji X series are proven cameras. If buying into the mirrorless world I would personally stay away from Nikon or Canon for awhile until the dust settles with their new mirrorless entries.

Sony mirrorless cameras are also proven, with great lenses ... but you will pay more for Sony systems than Fujifilm systems, with no real increase in quality or performance.

I realize I’m rattling some cages now with members ... and with full disclosure I am a Fuji fan. I have a Fuji XT-2, and the Fuji X100F is my go to camera when traveling in Europe. The X100F is all of one pound and fits in my coat pocket. I just think theFuji X series system is wonderful, and personally believe the Fuji XT-3 is the best APS-C crop sensor out there.

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Oct 26, 2018 13:25:17   #
gwilliams6
 
amfoto1 wrote:
For someone who sounds as serious about their photography as your daughter-in-law... someone who has literally worn out some relatively recent model cameras (if what you say is true)...

I DEFINITELY wouldn't try to buy a camera for them!

She probably has a very good idea what she likes & wants and you're unlikely to know the details anywhere near as well as she does. In other words, unless she has specifically stated something she would like to work with, you and your son will more likely than not buy the wrong camera and lens!

I would STRONGLY recommend you and your son instead get her gift certificates from someplace where prices and selection are good, like B&H Photo or Adorama in NYC. Then she can make her own choices and get exactly what she wants,... rather than being "stuck" with what you THINK she would want. Maybe she'll opt to keep one of her current cameras and simply get better lenses. Or maybe she will want a new camera that can use existing lenses from one of her cameras. Or maybe there's another system entirely that she'd like to get into.

FWIW: You mention she travels a lot to take photographs. In that case, a full frame mirrorless would very likely end up bigger and heavier than the cameras she uses now. The camera body might be a bit lighter, but it will need to use full frame-capable lenses which are no smaller and lighter than the lenses for full frame DSLRs. APS-C "crop only" ("DX" in Nikon terms) lenses which she might already have for her D5300 might be smaller and lighter. An APS-C mirrorless camera might be a bit smaller and lighter for travel, provided it's used with native lenses (rather than adapted lenses). But Nikon doesn't make one, so she would need to change systems (and may or may not be able to adapt her Nikon F-mount lenses). A micro 4/3 format mirrorless can be even smaller and lighter. But, again, it depends... For example, mirrorless with viewfinders (if she wants one) aren't a great deal smaller and lighter than the smallest and lightest APS-C DSLR models (such as a Canon SL2, which is one of the smallest).

But, again, get her gift certificates and let her make her own choices. Maybe she wants a Fuji mirrorless (X-mount lenses offer one of the best selection). Nikon doesn't even make an APS-C format mirrorless... only full frame. And they only make 3 lenses for it, so far. Canon makes both APS-C and full frame mirrorless now... but so far there are very limited lenses for both, too (about 8 for the APS-C and only 4 for the full frame... and they aren't interchangeable). Panasonic and Olympus partner in making m4/3 cameras and lenses to use on them, so there's pretty good selection both of cameras and lenses. Sony has been making APS-C and FF mirrorless for quite a while, too... so have a fairly good selection of lenses. But Sony's tend to be more expensive than Nikon's... whose lenses in turn tend to be more expensive than Canon's. Fuji's lenses also ain't cheap. In fact, due to their popularity... they're the "latest, greatest thing".... mirrorless cameras and the lenses designed for them tend to be substantially more expensive than relatively comparable DSLRs (which are now "old school", I suppose.... I'm just waiting to hear, "Hey look, that geezer is still shooting with a DSLR!")
For someone who sounds as serious about their phot... (show quote)



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Oct 26, 2018 13:36:48   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
JRowe wrote:
My wonderful daughter-in-law will be 50 next month. Over the last 10 years she has become an excellent photographer with her Nikon 5300 (18-300 lens) and Sony RX100 M1 -- but they are about worn out. Her job has her traveling a lot -- both domestic and international -- so she takes a lot of travel pictures but also many family shots. She processes in Lightroom and publishes Shutterfly books.

Seems like a good time to move to a mirrorless system. Smaller and less weight than the Nikon 5300 would be good. I have read a bunch of reviews, but not sure about full frame vs M43, size, etc.

My son will buy the camera body, I'll pop for a lens. Hopefully a package under $3,000.

Thanks for your suggestions!
My wonderful daughter-in-law will be 50 next month... (show quote)

Fuji X-T3 system.

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Oct 26, 2018 13:48:49   #
gwilliams6
 
jackpinoh wrote:
Fuji X-T3 system.


The Fuji XT3 is excellent ,but NO IBIS, a real shortcoming. BTW its 26 megapixel sensor is built by Sony. Sony's upcoming A7000 will likely use this same sensor, with IBIS. (due to be announced before Xmas) .Interesting.

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Oct 26, 2018 14:05:20   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
The Fuji XT3 is excellent ,but NO IBIS, a real shortcoming. BTW its 26 megapixel sensor is built by Sony. Sony's upcoming A7000 will likely use this same sensor, with IBIS. (due to be announced before Xmas) .Interesting.


And the video is improved so I have read.

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Oct 26, 2018 14:12:55   #
gwilliams6
 
suntouched wrote:
And the video is improved so I have read.



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Oct 26, 2018 14:39:09   #
GEG Loc: Pennsylvania
 
Definitely Fuji- XT2 or XT3. I traveled to Maine last week with both bodies and my landscape kit of the 10-24, 18-55, and the 55-200 with all the accessories including a RRS pano plate in a medium size backpack. You just can’t beat the build and image quality in a fun to shoot camera that you can take anywhere!!!! I’m still growing with the camera system and there is a lot of support in a fun community of high quality photographers!!!

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Oct 26, 2018 15:06:44   #
Bill P
 
I'm not familiar with the Fuji cameras, but have never heard a bad word, but I must say that I still have my Hassselblad xPan, built by Fuji with Fuji lenses, and they are superb and very well made.

Otherwise, you have the best selection of lenses with m4/3 cameras. There are a variety of very very fast lenses if shallow dof is for you. There is only a small difference between sensor size with m4/3 and APSc sensors. And with my m4/3 cameras I can take images up to 16x20 just fine, not tried any bigger but think with care they should get to 17x25 just fine, so I wouldn't fall for the full frame argument.

One caution: rent before buying. I find the Panasonic and Olympus cameras to fir my small hands perfectly. Others with big hams are less good with the size. Also, it is essential that you experience the Olympus menus and judge your comfort with them, as they are far from easy to use.

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Oct 26, 2018 15:12:26   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
Let her choose is correct, now what she needs to do is inquire upon this ignoble assortment of misfits and miscreants as to the best choice for her.
If money is no issue, Fuji, XT-3 please, but glass is $$$ and not many choices outside of Fuji themselves.
There’s Sony, wow, yes great quality, in FF, and nearly as many alternative, no! more alternative lenses than even Olympus. But I don’t like Sony Cameras and I don’t know why. My fault I guess.
Z6 Nikon, hey if ya gotta bunch of Fmount lenses that you wish to continue using, well there you go.
I’ve got bad GAS, chronic it is
If money is an issue, the 4:3-m43 family has the greatest and most cost effective assortments of lenses, and 95% of Fuji image quality

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Oct 26, 2018 15:16:06   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
Flickwet wrote:
Let her choose is correct, now what she needs to do is inquire upon this ignoble assortment of misfits and miscreants as to the best choice for her.
If money is no issue, Fuji, XT-3 please, but glass is $$$ and not many choices outside of Fuji themselves.
There’s Sony, wow, yes great quality, in FF, and nearly as many alternative, no! more alternative lenses than even Olympus. But I don’t like Sony Cameras and I don’t know why. My fault I guess.
Z6 Nikon, hey if ya gotta bunch of Fmount lenses that you wish to continue using, well there you go.
I’ve got bad GAS, chronic it is
If money is an issue, the 4:3-m43 family has the greatest and most cost effective assortments of lenses, and 95% of Fuji image quality
Let her choose is correct, now what she needs to d... (show quote)


I like the tradition of Nikon and the future of MFT’s. Both systems allow for tremendous variety of interesting lenses.

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