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Oct 24, 2018 14:03:25   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Battery life is greatly affected by the Airplane Mode setting. Here are the results of my battery life tests for the Sony batt and Promaster batt. The data were collected with camera 'turned off.' Notice the 'stair step' pattern with the Sony and 'smooth' pattern with the Promaster.


Bike guy wrote:
Be also aware that battery life for the a6000 (which I own) is not great. I've purchased four more batterie, total of five, just in case.



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Oct 24, 2018 14:15:41   #
markwilliam1
 
Why do you say Sony is not loyal to their customers?
polonois wrote:
All my DSLRs are Sony. I have an A65V and a A77M2, 4 flashes and over 30 lenses. I favor the A-mount for the price and availability of the lenses. They are good quality cameras however, my advice is buy a Canon or a Nikon. Sony is not loyal to their customers. One thing you can count on is everything Sony makes will go the way of the Betamax.

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Oct 24, 2018 14:18:02   #
polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Sony products won't go the way of the betamax (get real, lol). In January 2017 I switched from Nikon and Canon after 40 years a pro user, and went to Sony and have never looked back. I love my A6500, A7RIII and A7III. Sony is now the World's #1 seller of FULLFRAME cameras (DSLR or Mirrorless) and also the USA #1 seller of FULLFRAME cameras. Their stated corporate goal is to be the World's overall #1 seller of cameras by 2021. To do that they have upped their game at all camera levels, compact, bridge, APS-C, and Fullframe, while making the sensors for Nikon,Fuji,Panasonic and others in micro 4/3rds, APS-C, Fullframe and medium format. Sony has huge financial resources and the tech savvy and corporate will to lead the industry. They aren't going anywhere but up. And their support and service has been as good as any I have had with Nikon and Canon in the past. Cheers.
Sony products won't go the way of the betamax (get... (show quote)


I hope your right however based on their past products I truly don't see it.

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Oct 24, 2018 14:25:34   #
le boecere
 
Low Budget Dave wrote:
I have the Sony A6000, which is the older version of the A6300. I have found it to be a good combination of speed, size, quality and price. (As each new generation comes out, so far, I always end up keeping the A6000.)

There are a few things I would point out about the A6300:

1. The phase detection, video capability, viewfinder, and dust resistance are all better (in one way or another) than the A6000. If the price is within $300 or so, then get the A6300. If money is tight, and if the A6000 is a super bargain, then you might prefer having the A6000 plus money in your pocket.

2. The A6300 does not have a touchscreen. This is not really that big an issue because Sony touchscreens are not that great. But if you rely on that (or a joystick), the A6300 and A6000 have neither. They have a multi-function button inside a direction wheel, which I like, but some people despise.

Dave, I'm wondering if the vaunted touch-screen is absolutely necessary for everyone. My finger does not seem to work on touch screens (never has), and they frustrate me. (even friends with modern touch screen devices point out that I have weird fingers). Many people grew up with touch screens and can't even eat supper without one ~ but, then there are others who really like the ancient multi-function button. I've not spent any time with a camera that has a joystick, but I can envision it being equally satisfactory, or better.

3. The A6300 does not have IBIS. If you need stabilization, you have to go up to the A6500. Personally, I own the Sony 35mm stabilized lens, and it is good enough for almost everything I do, but the A6300 will want stabilized lenses.

4. The autofocus is very good, but the lock-on autofocus is not that much better than the A6000. To get really great tracking and lock-on, you have to go with the A7iii or equivalent, which is really a whole different level of camera.

5. The quality of the pictures is very lens-dependent, and anything other than "pretty good for the money" is very expensive. I have found that the kit lens and the "kit" 70-200 are both good for almost everything (except RAW of course), and for everything else, I use the 35mm IS lens, the 50 mm IS lens, or the 20mm, (which I think is not IS). Each of these lenses is cheap, and punch above their class for the money. The really great lenses are visibly better, but the improvement in quality is maybe 5% to 10%, while the increase in price can be 300% to 800%.

Dave, (and this is not a challenge, or a retort) ~ when you say "really great lenses", what are a couple of examples for the a6*00 cameras?

For example, the 35mm 1.8 is stabilized, sharp (at anything over 2.8), has great color, weighs 5 ounces, and costs about $400. If you want to get anything sharper, you have to either get a huge lens, lose the 1.8 max, or pay $900. (Or all three.) For the time being, the 1.8 OSS is perfect for me.

Dave, if you find the 35mm f/1.8 "perfect for me", and, if you ever find a use for the 50mm (75mm focal length), you might find that you like that one (SEL50F18) as well, or even better.

6. Even if you need critical sharpness, the A6300 can still deliver, but you will have to make some other compromise in lens size, price, or speed.

Happy shooting.
I have the Sony A6000, which is the older version ... (show quote)


Dave, I really like your analysis, yet have a couple of comments + a question. I'll try to fit them into your post. (and, BTW, I too, use an a6000 & the 35mm [SEL35F18], primarily for street and social events).

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Oct 24, 2018 14:25:38   #
gwilliams6
 
polonois wrote:
I hope your right however based on their past products I truly don't see it.


I am right ,and loads of pros and amateurs use them now with excellent experiences. Sorry you can't see it. Cheers

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Oct 24, 2018 14:59:16   #
polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I am right ,and loads of pros and amateurs use them now with excellent experiences. Sorry you can't see it. Cheers


I'm sure the pros and amateurs are having excellent experiences. My Sonys work great too. The issue isn't quality. Tell me the same thing in five years when Sony dumps the mirrorless for a Multiplex laser ranging camera with no shutter, or lens and has an infinite depth of field. You'll be stuck with a valueless camera to throw in the box with your betamax, digital mavica, handicam, and your DSLR.

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Oct 24, 2018 16:30:04   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
polonois wrote:
I'm sure the pros and amateurs are having excellent experiences. My Sonys work great too. The issue isn't quality. Tell me the same thing in five years when Sony dumps the mirrorless for a Multiplex laser ranging camera with no shutter, or lens and has an infinite depth of field. You'll be stuck with a valueless camera to throw in the box with your betamax, digital mavica, handicam, and your DSLR.



....and when they do, all other companies will follow suit, just they're following suit and investing a lot of money now with their own Mirrorless systems.

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Oct 24, 2018 16:32:42   #
polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.
 
Blaster34 wrote:
....and when they do, all other companies will follow suit, just they're following suit and investing a lot of money now with their own Mirrorless systems.


Your most likely right.

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Oct 24, 2018 16:36:39   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
DT wrote:
Hi. I am going to buy the Sony a6300 soon. Anyone have this? How do u like it ? I did a lot of research on it and seems to be a good fit for me. Also, wondering is it ok to buy “ open box”? I found a reliable place that has a 45 day return if it does not work correctly. Thanks for any help or thoughts!
Deb


I have the A6000 and an A7Rii. The A6000 with the 18-105mm F4 G OSS is my choice for travelling. Just got back from 2 weeks in Italy and that is really all I used even though I brought a couple of other lenses with me. I found one battery lasted me all day nearly every day. I considered upgrading to the the A6300 at one point, but felt the improvements were not worth changing for. I think the improvements from A6000 to A6500 would have been worth upgrading for, but I bought the A7Rii in the meantime. Sony is expected to come out with a new pro-level mini 'A9' crop sensor before Christmas which could mean some good A6XXX bargains around Black Friday. If the open box is from Best Buy I wouldn't touch it - probably a display model.

I highly recommend the 18-105 as the 'one' lens for the A6XXX. Sigma has a range of reasonably priced high quality APS-C prime lenses for e-mount. Rokinon has an amazing 12mm F2.0. The Zeiss 24mm 1.8 is beautiful but expensive. Sony has been slack in producing new APS-C lenses for a couple of years, but I believe they are about to issue several new ones in the next couple of months. In the meantime, several other manfacturers have filled the gap with both crop and FF lenses. See Brian Smith for full run down on E and FE lenses. https://briansmith.com/aps-e-mount-lenses-for-sony-mirrorless-cameras/ https://briansmith.com/gear/lenses/

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Oct 24, 2018 17:18:19   #
le boecere
 
repleo wrote:
I have the A6000 and an A7Rii. The A6000 with the 18-105mm F4 G OSS is my choice for travelling. Just got back from 2 weeks in Italy and that is really all I used even though I brought a couple of other lenses with me. I found one battery lasted me all day nearly every day. I considered upgrading to the the A6300 at one point, but felt the improvements were not worth changing for. I think the improvements from A6000 to A6500 would have been worth upgrading for, but I bought the A7Rii in the meantime. Sony is expected to come out with a new pro-level mini 'A9' crop sensor before Christmas which could mean some good A6XXX bargains around Black Friday. If the open box is from Best Buy I wouldn't touch it - probably a display model.

I highly recommend the 18-105 as the 'one' lens for the A6XXX. Sigma has a range of reasonably priced high quality APS-C prime lenses for e-mount. Rokinon has an amazing 12mm F2.0. The Zeiss 24mm 1.8 is beautiful but expensive. Sony has been slack in producing new APS-C lenses for a couple of years, but I believe they are about to issue several new ones in the next couple of months. In the meantime, several other manfacturers have filled the gap with both crop and FF lenses. See Brian Smith for full run down on E and FE lenses. https://briansmith.com/aps-e-mount-lenses-for-sony-mirrorless-cameras/ https://briansmith.com/gear/lenses/
I have the A6000 and an A7Rii. The A6000 with the... (show quote)


"I highly recommend the 18-105 as the 'one' lens for the A6XXX..." ~ If you were given the opportunity to trade your 18-105mm 'one' lens for the 18-135 (SEL18135) in the same condition, would you do it? (lighter, shorter, but no power zoom)

Edit: I suppose every Sony shooter has seen this, but I just found it:

http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/sony-18-135-f3-5-f5-6-oss-e-mount-lens-review-vs-sony-18-105-f4-g/

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Oct 24, 2018 17:50:22   #
lamontcranston
 
le boecere wrote:
If you were given the opportunity to trade your 18-105mm 'one' lens for the 18-135 (SEL18135) in the same condition, would you do it? (lighter, shorter, but no power zoom)



Yes. Although I love my nearly new 18-105 I like lighter and smaller for my needs.

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Oct 24, 2018 18:03:11   #
le boecere
 
lamontcranston wrote:
Yes. Although I love my nearly new 18-105 I like lighter and smaller for my needs.


Thanks for weighing in on my question. Was just looking at the Fuji X-E2 w/18-135 next to the Sony a6*00 w/18-105 next to the Sony a6*00 w/18-135.
That a6*00 w/the new little Sony E 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS is certainly an attractive travel (daylight walk-around) kit ~ especially at 670 grams ~ and particularly when comparing it with my X-E2 w/18-55mm f/2.8-4 R LM OIS travel kit.

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Oct 24, 2018 18:26:05   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
le boecere wrote:
"I highly recommend the 18-105 as the 'one' lens for the A6XXX..." ~ If you were given the opportunity to trade your 18-105mm 'one' lens for the 18-135 (SEL18135) in the same condition, would you do it? (lighter, shorter, but no power zoom)

Edit: I suppose every Sony shooter has seen this, but I just found it:

http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/sony-18-135-f3-5-f5-6-oss-e-mount-lens-review-vs-sony-18-105-f4-g/


I have been considering changing. I really like the constant F4 versus the variable 3.5 - 5.6 on the 135, but every once counts for a travel camera. Also, from the reviews I have seen the IQ is better on the 18-105 and I have a couple of hundred bucks worth of filters for the 105 that I would need to replace. The slight extra reach of the 135 does not attract me. Next time I go to the camera store I will ask to see the 135 and see if I like it.

To be honest, for my next trip I will seriously consider getting a Sony RX100 mark something as a travel camera.

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Oct 24, 2018 18:40:46   #
le boecere
 
repleo wrote:
I have been considering changing. I really like the constant F4 versus the variable 3.5 - 5.6 on the 135, but every once counts for a travel camera. Also, from the reviews I have seen the IQ is better on the 18-105 and I have a couple of hundred bucks worth of filters for the 105 that I would need to replace. The slight extra reach of the 135 does not attract me. Next time I go to the camera store I will ask to see the 135 and see if I like it.

To be honest, for my next trip I will seriously consider getting a Sony RX100 mark something as a travel camera.
I have been considering changing. I really like t... (show quote)


I have the Mark III, and because it's my EDC (every day carry), it's virtually always with me ~ yet, I cannot seem to leave one of my APS-C travel cameras at home. Still, it's (RX100***) the ideal back-up camera for my amateur purposes. When I'm just with one camera, it's the RX100III.

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Oct 24, 2018 19:42:27   #
gwilliams6
 
polonois wrote:
I'm sure the pros and amateurs are having excellent experiences. My Sonys work great too. The issue isn't quality. Tell me the same thing in five years when Sony dumps the mirrorless for a Multiplex laser ranging camera with no shutter, or lens and has an infinite depth of field. You'll be stuck with a valueless camera to throw in the box with your betamax, digital mavica, handicam, and your DSLR.


What an imagination you have. LOL

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