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Aug 21, 2018 09:54:28   #
BebuLamar
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
You only really NEED a FF camera if:

You are a pro and make your living with clients demanding the absolute best IQ (some will demand medium format - commercial ad or fashion photography!)
You are a wedding photographer and need to shoot the lowest possible noise level inside churches, for example, or other indoor shooting applications.
You are a landscape or portrait photographer (although APSC does a great job there too).
You shoot a lot of superwide angle subjects, real estate interiors for example.

FF will give you about 1.5-2 stops extra margin for acceptable noise levels. If you shoot at ISO 6400+ that will come in handy.

Everything else is a want...but we all experience GAS at some time or another. Keep in mind FF will demand great quality FF lenses, which are larger and heavier generally at the same focal ranges and f number. If you are a casual daylight shooter - like me - APSC is fine. I have the D7200 and it takes great photos with good noise control under ISO 10,000, especially in daylight, and sometimes up to ISO 18000. I use mostly FF lenses, anticipating my upgrade to a D850 or other FF body....I will still keep the 7200 for applications where a DX comes in handy, but the D850 also has a not too shabby DX mode 19.4 MP.
You only really NEED a FF camera if: br br You a... (show quote)


Of course unless you need a camera to make a living it's always a want but wanting to have a FF camera from the start is rather a good thing.

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Aug 21, 2018 09:55:21   #
delottphoto
 
I am a shooting pro using DX cameras in real estate, head shots, weddings, mitzvahs, and web sites. I particularly love my two D7200 Nikons!



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Aug 21, 2018 09:56:42   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Of course unless you need a camera to make a living it's always a want but wanting to have a FF camera from the start is rather a good thing.



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Aug 21, 2018 10:02:11   #
delottphoto
 
A friend of mine, who is a very talented artist and street photographer, just purchased a Hassalblaad - sp camera. He wanted a bigger sensor. I wish him luck on the streets of New York and Marseilles, shooting with such equipment.

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Aug 21, 2018 10:28:57   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Yes, a bridge camera would fill the bill in the beginning. You can learn photography using it.
jcboy3 wrote:
I wouldn't even recommend an interchangeable lens camera. Get a good quality all-in-one camera and enjoy your vacation.

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Aug 21, 2018 10:31:26   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
mhdt64 wrote:
As a complete beginner in the hobby and looking to buy a decent camera to take on vacation, I am not sure I understand the advantages of full frame. Do I really need a full frame camera?


No, you do not really necessarily need a full frame camera. And before you make a final decision on what type of system you want to work with, rent the setup for vacation. Full frame cameras have advantages in low light ability, cropping heavily and still having a shot, and blowing up an image beyond 30 X 40. 4/3rds cameras have the advantage when it comes to travel because of smaller size and less weight. APS-Cs are placed between the two systems. If you do not intend to shoot in low light and blow your photos up past 30 X 40, I suggest renting an Olympus or Panasonic system for the vacation and explore your decision as to the reasons for the system you want to choose. Don't let your vacation make your decision for you. Yes, you may want a full frame camera in the end, but it needs to be an informed decision, not a rushed "in time for vacation" decision.

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Aug 21, 2018 10:34:26   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
It's a matter of choice. All will give good images as long as your technique is good and you only display the images digitally. I have DX,FX and M4/3rds sized cameras. What I take depends on my subject matter You may even be satisfied with a fixed lens cameras results......

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Aug 21, 2018 10:35:03   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
I'm reasonably certain many of us have worked our way up to a full frame camera after years of shooting with crop sensor cameras. The bodies are more expensive and the lenses are more expensive. In the beginning, you cannot really know if this is a hobby you will stick with. In the end however, those of us who stick with the hobby find ourselves with several camera bodies and various lenses to go with them. The choice is similar for many other endeavors. I play the saxophone and have about a dozen of them. But after 55 years of playing, I now only play the very best ones I own. It was a progression and a journey to arrive at this point.

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Aug 21, 2018 10:40:21   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
[quote=jerryc41]If you think you want FF, better to buy it now, rather than buying and crop and a FF later.

My thought too. If you are the kind of person who thinks they need the "BEST" you will never be happy with less. Go ahead and buy it. - Dave

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Aug 21, 2018 10:44:49   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
[quote=wilsondl2]
jerryc41 wrote:
If you think you want FF, better to buy it now, rather than buying and crop and a FF later.

My thought too. If you are the kind of person who thinks they need the "BEST" you will never be happy with less. Go ahead and buy it. - Dave


I used my D90 about six months before I realized how badly I "needed" a D700.

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Aug 21, 2018 10:46:36   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
mhdt64 wrote:
As a complete beginner in the hobby and looking to buy a decent camera to take on vacation, I am not sure I understand the advantages of full frame. Do I really need a full frame camera?


Although I have a Nikon D500, I rarely take it on vacation. My vacation camera was always the Sony a6000 with 3 lenses. It is APS-C, small & lightweight, and you can produce excellent large images. I sold the entire kit when I bought the Sony a7iii and 24-70/4 Lens, so it will be my vacation camera now. It’s a little bigger and heavier but is full frame. I just couldn’t justify buying a full frame Nikon PLUS the lenses I would need to go with it.

Just my 2 cents worth

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Aug 21, 2018 10:47:42   #
BebuLamar
 
saxman71 wrote:
I'm reasonably certain many of us have worked our way up to a full frame camera after years of shooting with crop sensor cameras. The bodies are more expensive and the lenses are more expensive. In the beginning, you cannot really know if this is a hobby you will stick with. In the end however, those of us who stick with the hobby find ourselves with several camera bodies and various lenses to go with them. The choice is similar for many other endeavors. I play the saxophone and have about a dozen of them. But after 55 years of playing, I now only play the very best ones I own. It was a progression and a journey to arrive at this point.
I'm reasonably certain many of us have worked our ... (show quote)


Uhmm! I never did. I always have full frame and I never have medium format either.

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Aug 21, 2018 11:29:10   #
Michael1079 Loc: Indiana
 
mhdt64 wrote:
As a complete beginner in the hobby and looking to buy a decent camera to take on vacation, I am not sure I understand the advantages of full frame. Do I really need a full frame camera?


There are many, many advantages in full frame cameras and, if your budget allows, then certainly it would be worth considering. However, there are a few things to consider.

You mention that you are a complete beginner? Investment in a Full Frame camera as a beginner might not be a cost effective move. Is it possible that you may determine that photography is not your thing down the road? If so, then you will have made an immense investment in a camera that you won't use. Many people get in to astronomy/telescopes the same way, asking, "Which telescope should I buy?" The answer is ALWAYS, "Buy the one that you will use."

My budget did not allow me to purchase a FF Camera. Instead, I purchased a very good (in my opinion) cropped sensor camera (Canon 80D) and used the money I had to invest in some terrific, fast lenses. The camera does everything I want. I am certainly no a professional, but love photography. I began shooting film cameras in the mid-1970's with the Canon EF and F-1 while stationed in Europe, and still love doing it. Now, I mostly shoot the grandkids, their soccer and gymnastics meets, and sometimes do senior photos for nieces, nephews, and friends.

Best wishes to you! Look forward to seeing your shots!

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Aug 21, 2018 11:31:12   #
WJShaheen Loc: Gold Canyon, AZ
 
You're in good company. See Steve Perry's excellent video "Using A Crop Camera vs. Cropping Full Frame" at https://youtu.be/o6rZ4p1d56A


JR45 wrote:
This is my opinion.

If you have intentions of turning pro in the future, and can afford the price difference, go FF.

If you are like me, and just want to take decent pictures of travels and other odds and ends, go DX.
I have both Nikon D7200 and D500. I have printed acceptable 12x18 prints from pics cropped to
as little as 20% of the original pic.

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Aug 21, 2018 12:56:34   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Uhmm! I never did. I always have full frame and I never have medium format either.


He is probably right that quite a few photographers went that route. For me it was full frame film to medium format film and now 4/3rds.

My wife and I travel enough that always carrying a 35 pound camera bag plus tripod, compared to the under 8 pounds and more shooting ability and lens coverage of the 4/3rds, just didn't make sense. Yes, I will have a much harder time going larger than 30 X 40. Yes, my images will have more noise in very low light. But those are mostly the exception, not the norm.

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