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Aug 20, 2018 11:56:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Bipod wrote:
If cost and size were no object, EVFs could be wonderful. Fat chance!
Most manufactures won't even provide a viewing hood or a good fitting
eyepiece.

Actual EVFs may suffer from:
* poor visibility in bright sunlight
* low resolution (subjects look in focus when they're not)
* image lag in live view
* color balance can be off (even when the image itself is
correctly white balanced)

Also, there is no gurantee that a particular line of mirrorless cameras
will continue to support features that pros need, such as interchangable
lens. One well-known mirrorless line started out with interchangable
lenses then went to fixed lens. Hope nobody here bought one.

Some of these defects only matter if you plan to enlarge the image
or care about image quality. Most people don't, so EVF will probably
replace the DSLR in the mass market.

Mirrors are clunky, no doubt about it. But SLRs and DSLRs have been
sold that had very large, bright, very high-quality OVFs -- because the
pro market demanded it. What you saw through the OVF on a Nikon
F2 was as big and sharp as it gets. (And both the ground glass and the
entire viewfinder were interchangable!)

But it's not clear that there is such a thing as a pro camera anymore.
Even the most expensive DSLRs are bought mostly by Uncle Bob.
And today, all mirrorless cameras are mass-market cameras. What
the mass market cares about above all else is CHEAP.

Where is it written that world-class photography is supposed to be
easy, compact and cheap? Cameras aren't merely electronic
devices--they are optical devices. Good telescopes, microscopes,
etc. aren't easy-to-use, compact or cheap.

BTW, mirrorless cameras still need a mechanical shutter, because
sensors are noisy if turned on and off electronically. Solving that
problem would be a huge improvement, and would spell the death
of the DSLR. But there are no signs it will happen anytime soon.

Technology is great--but not always what's available to buy.
Sellers often argue: "Look how great the images from the Keck
Observatory are--so buy our CAT lens!" :-) Unfortunately, you'll
have to buy the Keck to get images like that.
If cost and size were no object, EVFs could be won... (show quote)


This is pure FUD — fear, uncertainty, and doubt mongering.

Go actually buy and USE a MILC/DSLM/EVIL camera made in the last year or two. You’ll understand why many of us are switching, but only if you use it the way it is intended, and don’t try to make it work like a dSLR!

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Aug 20, 2018 12:00:37   #
henrycrafter Loc: Orem Utah
 
certainly hope not. I have tried them and find them wanting

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Aug 20, 2018 12:01:58   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
warrior wrote:
With all the mirrorless cameras coming out are we going to see the end of DSLR?


If the new Canon has a native EF mount and 1D level of performance it most likely will.

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Aug 20, 2018 12:08:09   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
And the beat goes on. Film vs Digital, RAW vs JPEG. Mirrorless vs FF DSLRs, etc etc. It makes for good lengthy inputs continuously. 8 pages already on this topic. Yes, I understand everyone doesn't see previous topics posted. But, those who do. Say, "not again."

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Aug 20, 2018 12:08:29   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
It just takes one second to switch the EVF of a top mirrorless camera to studio use where it keeps the lens aperture at largest setting. Not an issue at all fella. Get up to date here. Duh. I like many pros prefer the great EVF, no chimping necessary in the LCD screen, which takes your eye away from the subject, and you could miss the shot. I used OVFs for 40 years as a pro and switched to mirrorless and EVFs, and would never use a DSLR or OVF ever again. EVFs are the future here now. Check out the new Nikons on Aug. 23rd with their EVFs. Cheers
It just takes one second to switch the EVF of a to... (show quote)



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Aug 20, 2018 12:10:33   #
4X5er
 
olemikey wrote:
Notice to all Hoggers: I am starting an "Old DSLR Shelter & Home" for those old unwanted, out-of-date, not so "latest and greatest" miserable old lonely DSLR's that have been displaced by the "Mirrorless" generation. None will be turned away, and all will be treated with dignity and respect (and if they still work, they will be walked and put thru their paces regularly). Don't throw them away, donate today!!!! If they are former Veteran Cameras, or Law Enforcement & First Responder Cameras they will also retain that distinction.


Don't throw them away, donate today - Olemikeys Home for Wayward DSLR Cameras
Notice to all Hoggers: I am starting an "Old ... (show quote)



And I would be more than happy to represent the Colorado Branch. I'll even take in film cameras.

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Aug 20, 2018 12:26:35   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
4X5er wrote:
And I would be more than happy to represent the Colorado Branch. I'll even take in film cameras.


Another branch!!!!! ...…… and yes there is room for the film cameras too! I've kept most all of mine (could kick myself for selling several over the years - but I do the same thing every time I think about the all the A-body GM muscle cars, and assorted Jeeps I've owned and let get away), if only I had a small warehouse to have stored them. I still have that old Argus C-3 somewhere in the house, it finally failed, and then my son played with it years ago...I need to dig it out and put it on the shelf!

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Aug 20, 2018 12:35:59   #
gwilliams6
 
https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/20/new-nikon-mirrorless-camera-teaser-video.aspx/

The latest, maybe last teaser video on the new Nikon fullframe mirrorless cameras. No mention of video performance though. We will just have to wait until Aug 23rd to know what the true specs are, and then wait for real-world shooting to see how it stacks up. I am a Sony user, but I still predict they will be excellent releases from Nikon. Cheers

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Aug 20, 2018 12:37:29   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
I have MFT, SLR, DSLR, P&S, 110, etc.

So why my are photos not better?

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Aug 20, 2018 12:41:05   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
My new car of higher technology and performance and bigger $$$ travels longer and slower today because of heavy traffic.

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Aug 20, 2018 12:51:37   #
Jersey guy Loc: New Joisey
 
If the DSLR is on the way out it won't be solely the result of the mirrorless versions taking over. I have noticed for the last decade or so, that cell phone cameras keep improving to the point where they can be serious competition for the lower end cameras that people use for less-than-serious photography. I recall when I was still reluctant to make the move to digital it would make me jealous to see so many with decent DSLRs who obviously were not serious amateur photographers but rather victims of a hard sell salesman in a photo store.

Excuse what may be interpreted as a sexist observation but most of the users seemed to be housewives who were documenting Suzie's dance recital, or the family's shore vacation or little Johnnie's birthday party, etc. The husband, unless he was himself a photography enthusiast, left all that work to his wife.

Now, I can tell you that in the last few years I find myself virtually the only one with a cumbersome DSLR at so many events, whether my wife's college class reunion, municipal parades, community day celebrations, New York City Christmas Tree, etc., etc. The few serious cameras that I have observed were quite obviously operated by persons who knew what they were doing, or by extension, had a complement of accessories that the average family record-maker wouldn't bother to acquire.

Now don't come down on me for what you think is a put down of the women on this forum; there are some fantastic women in the photography business and on this very forum....it's just that in the normal course of family affairs it seems to have fallen to the women in the family to document the important milestones in the lives of its members. Let's be serious....does anyone really think that they spend hours doing post-processing of photos that, for the most part, end up being emailed?

Yes, there will always be serious/professional photographers who comprise the market for DSLRs but if the market does shrink enough, and mirrorless make increasing inroads, DSLRs may not be profitable enough for some to continue with the lower end models that attract us amateurs. I, for sure, cannot justify the "big boys", the FF monsters that require I give up my first-born to purchase.

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Aug 20, 2018 12:53:39   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
warrior wrote:
With all the mirrorless cameras coming out are we going to see the end of DSLR?


Eventually. I couldn't guess when. When they stop selling them, then the clock will start ticking, but some people may continue to use them for a very long time. I know that I'll likely use my Nikon D810 for the rest of my life or until I can't lift it any longer. I'm too old to play the constant upgrade game.

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Aug 20, 2018 12:56:31   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
kenArchi wrote:
My new car of higher technology and performance and bigger $$$ travels longer and slower today because of heavy traffic.


Auto technology is certainly providing ever better cars and trucks, but the MSRP's are becoming unimaginable. I recently had my Wrangler in for the dreaded Air bag recall/replacement and while I was there the sales manager came to see me and offered me $2,000.00 dollars less than what I paid for it in Jan. 2010 (it is in non-typical show-room condition - well non-typical for most off-road vehicles, anyway). But the price of a new one, and equipping it the way I would want it, whew!!!! Now if they would trade me even-up for that new Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio SUV - I might be tempted!!!!!!!! That ain't gonna happen!

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Aug 20, 2018 13:02:43   #
gwilliams6
 
DSLRs wont totally disappear but they just wont be dominate anymore in the pro and top-end market. Top Japanese Camera execs agree (have stated on the record) on the point that DSLR's dominance is over. Some will still be made and sold as long as some still buy them, but expect Nikon, Canon and Sony to show forth their best tech and innovation in their fullframe mirrorless systems. Cheers

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Aug 20, 2018 13:25:41   #
Old Coot
 
To get back to the original question.
Manufacturers will make what sells and creates profits.If DSLR,s are the end game, why are the major makers bringing out Mirrorless ?
They may still turn out older technology but their research money will be spent on the future. It will be easy for them to adapt existing lens technology to the newer cameras so those won,t be going away anytime soon.
So while you may still use your existing equipment for many years, don,t look for much more development on older products

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