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Aug 12, 2018 09:32:04   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
AndyH wrote:
Bob is one of the all-time good guys here. He gives good advice, takes every member’s questions sincerely, and is humble concerning his own (ample) talents.

If you guys want to have a laugh at my expense, I’m all in. It’s something I do frequently myself.

Andy


I agree, and this forum needed a resident "Beaver" expert. .. . . ................

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Aug 12, 2018 09:46:29   #
redlegfrog
 
Gene51 wrote:
Funny, if I had to own one, the Canon would be the one. I found the image and build quality much better than the Nikkor.


And thats how the fight started! :-)

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Aug 12, 2018 10:38:47   #
DaveC1 Loc: South East US
 
AndyH wrote:
Bob is one of the all-time good guys here. He gives good advice, takes every member’s questions sincerely, and is humble concerning his own (ample) talents.

If you guys want to have a laugh at my expense, I’m all in. It’s something I do frequently myself.

Andy


Absolutely true!




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Aug 12, 2018 11:32:19   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
DesRose wrote:
Regarding the Nikon FX 28-300mm zoom lens we settled opinions once and for all (for the haters out there) that this lens IS viable as a good walk around/travel lens.


Phew! That's a relief. I guess I'll keep mine, then.

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Aug 12, 2018 11:37:26   #
Bigmike1 Loc: I am from Gaffney, S.C. but live in Utah.
 
I see from your portrait that you play tuba, or is that a euphonium. I have a baritone, which I can play but not well. I am currently taking trombone lessons from the trombone professor at BYU. As for photography and poking fun I try not to poke fun at anyone. Not everyone has the same level of expertise on a camera. Lord knows that I am still at the lower level myself. Once in a while I get a good shot but have to wonder....is it because I am a good photographer or is it just luck.

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Aug 12, 2018 11:55:33   #
MCHUGH Loc: Jacksonville, Texas
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Good thread, Des. UHH is a great community to belong to. While I never expect to meet any of the folks here, I have much affection for them and have come to imagine several as "Yoda with a camera." The humor often cracks me up and, even after nearly 40 years of being and avid/passionate shutterbug, hardly a day goes by where I don't learn something new or am reminded of something long forgotten. Viva UHH!


I know what you mean about being reminded of something long forgotten. I taught a continuing education at a local Jr college one time, a beginners course and I think I learned and relearned more than my students.

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Aug 12, 2018 12:29:35   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
Haydon wrote:
Point taken but at the same time people get upset with people that they will never meet and take it to heart. You really can't stop the trolls. They thrive on you reaction and if you respond, they have you. Great line from a movie it doesn't matter what others think its when you start believing what they say:)

BTW - I returned my 28-300 Canon for poor image quality after three days. Others have to judge for themselves whether it meets their needs.


I'm just curious - what does returning your 28-300 Canon have to do with the Nikon FX 28-300mm that was being discussed?

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Aug 12, 2018 12:58:04   #
Haydon
 
kd7eir wrote:
I'm just curious - what does returning your 28-300 Canon have to do with the Nikon FX 28-300mm that was being discussed?


Unacceptable Image Quality (it's the exact same variable focal length) that a high magnification lens typically has because of physical optical restrictions. This lens is either love or hated by both camps. Hope that clears up your confusion.

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Aug 12, 2018 13:13:27   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Whose assessment was that again? I see thumbs up and down in the thread.


don w-37

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Aug 12, 2018 13:15:29   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Haydon wrote:
Point taken but at the same time people get upset with people that they will never meet and take it to heart. You really can't stop the trolls. They thrive on you reaction and if you respond, they have you. Great line from a movie it doesn't matter what others think its when you start believing what they say:)

BTW - I returned my 28-300 Canon for poor image quality after three days. Others have to judge for themselves whether it meets their needs.


Did you calibrate the autofocus for the lens to the camera's body before you judged the lens to be inferior and returned it? In all probability there was nothing inferior about the lens. That is because all mechanical dimensions in the lens mount and the camera's body have tolerances that can be either plus or minus from the nominal. If your camera's body is at the top of the tolerance, for example, and the lens is also at the top of it's tolerance, the net result will be an additive effect or visa versa. With combined negative tolerances the result will also be an out of focus image. Note that individually the lens and camera bodys are within the manufacturing tolerances. Every lens should be calibrated to your camera before you make a judgement about it or use it to take pictures. The first two links below will explain how to do that using different methods for both Nikon and Canon. The principles are the same for both manufactures. The difference is in the menu navigation and function names. The third link show a varrity of devices and prices for calibration, but instead of investing in higher cost equipment, I use a device that costs under $3 that the last link will take you to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MQnHPu-04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2tKs1zQ58E

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=autofocus+calibration&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=233485091757&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16229452222046489304&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031054&hvtargid=kwd-24718372732&ref=pd_sl_212imlhvbu_b

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1312.R1.TR11.TRC2.A0.H0.Xcam.TRS1&_nkw=camera+lens+calibration&_sacat=0

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Aug 12, 2018 13:27:47   #
Haydon
 
bpulv wrote:
Did you calibrate the autofocus for the lens to the camera's body before you judged the lens to be inferior and returned it? In all probability there was nothing inferior about the lens. That is because all mechanical dimensions in the lens mount and the camera's body have tolerances that can be either plus or minus from the nominal. If your camera's body is at the top of the tolerance, for example, and the lens is also at the top of it's tolerance, the net result will be an additive effect or visa versa. With combined negative tolerances the result will also be an out of focus image. Note that individually the lens and camera bodys are within the manufacturing tolerances. Every lens should be calibrated to your camera before you make a judgement about it or use it to take pictures. The first two links below will explain how to do that using different methods for both Nikon and Canon. The principles are the same for both manufactures. The difference is in the menu navigation and function names. The third link show a varrity of devices and prices for calibration, but instead of investing in higher cost equipment, I use a device that costs under $3 that the last link will take you to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MQnHPu-04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2tKs1zQ58E

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=autofocus+calibration&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=233485091757&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16229452222046489304&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031054&hvtargid=kwd-24718372732&ref=pd_sl_212imlhvbu_b

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1312.R1.TR11.TRC2.A0.H0.Xcam.TRS1&_nkw=camera+lens+calibration&_sacat=0
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Thanks for your suggestion. I have that covered. I understand micro adjustment and copy variation. I also understand how some areas seemingly go soft within the focal travel, lack of corner sharpness and the abundance of pincushion at the lower end. There are limitations to the optical formula in higher magnification lenses and they become abundantly more evident on a full frame. Some have better copies even with micro adjustment and some justify their purchases by denying there are problems. I am one that is adamant about image quality and wasn't happy through the focal length. Your experience may be different.

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Aug 12, 2018 13:45:46   #
JBruce Loc: Northern MN
 
[quote=DesRose]Regarding the Nikon FX 28-300mm zoom lens we settled opinions once and for all (for the haters out there) that this lens IS viable as a good walk around/travel lens.

I quote the above portion of the OP as probably being the most relevant portion. I agree that almost any 28-300 lens, or it's equivalent is a great walk around lens. I am currently using an Olympus 14-150 (28-300 FF eqiv.) weatherproof, light weight, sharp, and I love the possibilities that it provides--just sayin'. John

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Aug 12, 2018 17:00:16   #
kskarma Loc: Topeka, KS
 
Let me add my 2 pixels worth to this discussion about the sharpness of the Nikon 28-300mm. The attached photo was, of course, shot with this lens....and handheld as well. There are actually two 'focus stacked' images here, for the first one I focused on the saguaro on the right side, then changed the focus to the larger saguaro in the middle of the frame. These were then processed with Combine ZP to form the final image. Some very minor tweaking was done in Photoshop...cropped slightly, etc.

Be sure to take a look at the full sized image ("original") and examine the 'sharpness'...(no pun intended, even though it would have been a good one!)...of the spines on the right hand plant....and then have a look at the cactus in the center of the photo.... I know we all have different standards, but for the work I do, this lens has really filled my needs for about 85% of all of my shots and the impact of this shot has been well received by many others. The wonderful light at day's end only adds to the scenic quality...IMHO.


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Aug 12, 2018 17:14:09   #
kskarma Loc: Topeka, KS
 
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Aug 12, 2018 17:53:12   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
That was a fun time. I'm looking forward to getting together again. Keep in mind though, I grant anyone the ability to have an opinion. What works for some may not work for everyone. If one has an opinion at least base it on personal experience or dedicated research. However, just because <fill in your favorite reviewer or lab> says something, may or may not be something on which to hang your hat.

As for humor, I'll probably poke more fun at myself than anyone else. It is a good thing to share a good laugh with good friends. Share is far better than at someone else's expense.
--Bob

DesRose wrote:
Just got done meeting up with a fellow 'Hedgehogger' for lunch in Phoenix. Bob (rmalarz) visited from Tempe and we got to share a lot of ideas on our equipment and photography in general. Regarding the Nikon FX 28-300mm zoom lens we settled opinions once and for all (for the haters out there) that this lens IS viable as a good walk around/travel lens. We love poking fun at our fellow members on this website and mean no harm to anybody else and hope the same is true for us! HAPPY SHOOTING EVERYBODY regardless of what you shoot with!
Just got done meeting up with a fellow 'Hedgehogge... (show quote)

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