Going back over bird shots I have taken, the best observation I can make about them is that some are good but very few (if any) are outstanding. While technique in both taking the shot and PP are always going to be a work in progress for me, I am wondering if I am at the point where my ability is being hampered by my equipment. I am considering trading in my Sigma 150-600 mm f 5-6.3C for a Nikon 200-500 f5.6. Attached is an image typical for what I consider my best efforts in shots and PP. Your opinion please, am I just having a GAS attack or would a better lens up my game?
Image shot with Nikon D7100 and Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3C. Focal length 600mm, f6.3, 1/320 sec, ISO 200. PP with PhotoNinja with final touchup in GIMP and cropped to 2027x1351pix size.
Sorry, I was using a Nikon D7100 vs the D750, my bad!
Mountain Bluebird Waiting for a Meal
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Nope. It's always about getting better as a photographer and not getting more gear.
You are having a G.A.S. attack.
Shoot more, spend less.
Thanks, gotta love your approach. Looking forward to hearing from others too.
rpavich wrote:
Nope. It's always about getting better as a photographer and not getting more gear.
You are having a G.A.S. attack.
Shoot more, spend less.
I like the image. Nice detail and bokeh. I have several photo albums and they chronicle my progress as a new amateur photographer. You, like me, will improve as time goes by. My equipment is basic but adequate. I've reached a point where I'm happy with a higher percentage of my shots. Try not to overcook your captures, not that I think you have.
Shootist wrote:
Going back over bird shots I have taken, the best observation I can make about them is that some are good but very few (if any) are outstanding. While technique in both taking the shot and PP are always going to be a work in progress for me, I am wondering if I am at the point where my ability is being hampered by my equipment. I am considering trading in my Sigma 150-600 mm f 5-6.3C for a Nikon 200-500 f5.6. Attached is an image typical for what I consider my best efforts in shots and PP. Your opinion please, am I just having a GAS attack or would a better lens up my game?
Image shot with Nikon D7100 and Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3C. Focal length 600mm, f6.3, 1/320 sec, ISO 200. PP with PhotoNinja with final touchup in GIMP and cropped to 2027x1351pix size.
Sorry, I was using a Nikon D7100 vs the D750, my bad!
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That is a really good image and one to be proud of. I don't see anything wrong with your technique or equipment based on that image. Oh, looking back a second time I did notice one thing. Had the light been from a different or better angle you might have caught the birds's pupil or catch-light of it's eye. It is certainly much much better than any of my attempts at bird photography. I'm more of a flower photographer. I don't really have the lens(es) for such a shot or to really even get seriously in to bird photography with my current longest lens being a slow 100-300mm zoom. I'm not familiar using the PP programs you did, so I guess they are fine for you. I use Ps CS6, ACR and a few Topaz Plug-Ins. I'm not sure what you consider outstanding? I have certainly seen much more interesting compositions but that is usually because the bird is doing something interesting or unusual or the positions of twigs and the like in the scene. That is pretty much out of your control. There is a large element of "accidental" to wildlife photography. I had an instructor who is a professional wildlife photographer and knowing the animal's natural history and habits can increase or better your good image captures. Also how often to you expect to get an outstanding image? I seriously find that I only get one or two images per year that I might consider really good or outstanding that I am totally happy with. And even at that I'm mightily picky and usually can later think of things I might have tried differently. I've studied so many photographs and paintings by other artists that I'm nearly obsessed with composition and printed image quality that I rarely please myself. Hell, I can even find a few "faults" in a few Edward Weston or Ansel Adams images, very few mind you! So, yes, you are probably having a GAS Attack that needs to be ignored. Shoot more if necessary. Even as a non-Nikon photographer myself I know the line well enough to know that yes, you could be using better suited equipment, I won't even say as I am sure you know which camera and lens models I'm referring too. But do you need better anything? No. But perhaps self control. Go out and photograph more birds!...
Bird looks great zoomed in.
(Seems like a GAS attack.)
What you omitted from your question was the distance of the subject. The first image was at a distance of 25’, the second at 100 yards. Both with a D 850 and 300mm PF lens, with a 1.4 tele. It all depends on what satisfies your minds eye as the image you wish to obtain. Me, I want to see the individual feathers around the sparkle in the eye. Better equipment will yield a better image, if that is what you want.
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Had the light been from a different or better angle you might have caught the birds's pupil or catch-light of it's eye.
Actually, if you look carefully, there are catch-lights in the bird's eye that can be brought out in Photoshop.
Thanks for your input. Actually, I do feel that the image is "overcooked". It took this much processing to get close to the level of detail I wanted. My perception is that I am having to over process is the main reason for my request for opinions (but welcome any other comments).
broncomaniac wrote:
I like the image. Nice detail and bokeh. I have several photo albums and they chronicle my progress as a new amateur photographer. You, like me, will improve as time goes by. My equipment is basic but adequate. I've reached a point where I'm happy with a higher percentage of my shots. Try not to overcook your captures, not that I think you have.
Shootist wrote:
Going back over bird shots I have taken, the best observation I can make about them is that some are good but very few (if any) are outstanding. While technique in both taking the shot and PP are always going to be a work in progress for me, I am wondering if I am at the point where my ability is being hampered by my equipment. I am considering trading in my Sigma 150-600 mm f 5-6.3C for a Nikon 200-500 f5.6. Attached is an image typical for what I consider my best efforts in shots and PP. Your opinion please, am I just having a GAS attack or would a better lens up my game?
Image shot with Nikon D7100 and Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3C. Focal length 600mm, f6.3, 1/320 sec, ISO 200. PP with PhotoNinja with final touchup in GIMP and cropped to 2027x1351pix size.
Sorry, I was using a Nikon D7100 vs the D750, my bad!
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Let the GAS attack pass. Super sharp capture in Download.
Thanks for the time you obviously put into your reply. I have considered much of what you wrote and will certainly think over all of it.
lamiaceae wrote:
That is a really good image and one to be proud of. I don't see anything wrong with your technique or equipment based on that image. Oh, looking back a second time I did notice one thing. Had the light been from a different or better angle you might have caught the birds's pupil or catch-light of it's eye. It is certainly much much better than any of my attempts at bird photography. I'm more of a flower photographer. I don't really have the lens(es) for such a shot or to really even get seriously in to bird photography with my current longest lens being a slow 100-300mm zoom. I'm not familiar using the PP programs you did, so I guess they are fine for you. I use Ps CS6, ACR and a few Topaz Plug-Ins. I'm not sure what you consider outstanding? I have certainly seen much more interesting compositions but that is usually because the bird is doing something interesting or unusual or the positions of twigs and the like in the scene. That is pretty much out of your control. There is a large element of "accidental" to wildlife photography. I had an instructor who is a professional wildlife photographer and knowing the animal's natural history and habits can increase or better your good image captures. Also how often to you expect to get an outstanding image? I seriously find that I only get one or two images per year that I might consider really good or outstanding that I am totally happy with. And even at that I'm mightily picky and usually can later think of things I might have tried differently. I've studied so many photographs and paintings by other artists that I'm nearly obsessed with composition and printed image quality that I rarely please myself. Hell, I can even find a few "faults" in a few Edward Weston or Ansel Adams images, very few mind you! So, yes, you are probably having a GAS Attack that needs to be ignored. Shoot more if necessary. Even as a non-Nikon photographer myself I know the line well enough to know that yes, you could be using better suited equipment, I won't even say as I am sure you know which camera and lens models I'm referring too. But do you need better anything? No. But perhaps self control. Go out and photograph more birds!...
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Thanks, Linda. Your reply's are always worth considering.
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