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Have any of you used "Noise" creatively in your photography?
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Jul 22, 2018 19:11:35   #
tripsy76 Loc: Northshore, MA
 
I have added various types of noise on purpose, but I have never used the plugins. I have created a personal stock library of various noises and film grains that I use with blend layers when compositing certain shots. I don’t use it in straight photography, more for commercial composites.

I find that it helps match certain feelings and moods while providing various looks to your footage and shots. The right amount can balance a composition or add detail, the wrong type of noise or wrong amount can also ruin an image. Balance and knowing when to use it is key!

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Jul 22, 2018 20:30:59   #
srt101fan
 
User ID wrote:
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srtfan101, do realize that there's different filters,
thus different results, for "add noise" and "grain".
I might have not made that clear. Both are rather
adjustable in degree and nature of effect but are
two different things. "Add Noise" is not just some
alternate term for the "Grain" filter.

Adding grain is an aesthetic choice. Adding noise
is sometimes necessary to hide your retouching
work. Some retouch tools reduce local sharpness
and so reduce or erase local noise as well. This
textural difference catches the eye, so you add
just the right amount of fake noise to make the
retouched area match its surroundings.

Also, if you clone an element from one image
into another image, if their noise levels don't
match well, even tho both noise levels are too
low-level to "look noisy", we somehow notice
the small difference and the cloning somehow
fails to look natural. Subtle things affect the
credibility of our deceptions.

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Thanks, User ID, much to learn about photo editing...

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Jul 22, 2018 21:16:06   #
srt101fan
 
tripsy76 wrote:
I have added various types of noise on purpose, but I have never used the plugins. I have created a personal stock library of various noises and film grains that I use with blend layers when compositing certain shots. I don’t use it in straight photography, more for commercial composites.

I find that it helps match certain feelings and moods while providing various looks to your footage and shots. The right amount can balance a composition or add detail, the wrong type of noise or wrong amount can also ruin an image. Balance and knowing when to use it is key!
I have added various types of noise on purpose, bu... (show quote)


Thanks tripsy; interesting perspective; your last two sentences say a lot...

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Jul 22, 2018 23:09:54   #
tripsy76 Loc: Northshore, MA
 
srt101fan wrote:
Thanks tripsy; interesting perspective; your last two sentences say a lot...


My pleasure!

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Jul 23, 2018 06:47:22   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
If not intentionally, I could always make a case for "creativity" after the fact. The same goes for blurring, and over/under exposure.

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Jul 23, 2018 06:52:48   #
srt101fan
 
jerryc41 wrote:
If not intentionally, I could always make a case for "creativity" after the fact. The same goes for blurring, and over/under exposure.



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Jul 23, 2018 08:04:48   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Yes, I have but only with b&w photography.

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Jul 23, 2018 11:22:20   #
Silverman Loc: Michigan
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
First of all, thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting a non-complaint topic in main discussion forum. Just when I thought all hope was lost

This is a combo of elements: a bit of original noise, a "grainy" texture added, and other edits.

The original is #2.

Thanks again!

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Hello, well, something about #1 download (Grainy-Photo) I really like, the digital "Noise" adds something, maybe because I do not see very many "On-Purpose" grainy images, but I do appreciate the artistic look to the image.

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Jul 23, 2018 12:32:32   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
User ID wrote:
TMax 3200 . .. "TMZ" by code, love that code
name, cuz I think when said aloud it SOUNDS
like TMX images LOOK. Or mebbe just mental
short circuiting ....

OK mebbe that sounds crazy, or not. But I've
shot miles and miles of TMZ and I looooved it.
Never used any "fine grain" developers on it.
Always in HC110.

But that was then, and this is now. My taste in
grain was formed by TMZ back then, but now I
hafta carry that taste forward as a metric even
tho nothing digital truly compares.

Remember how TMZ made projected enlarger
images sooper easy to focus ? No eyestrain :-)

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TMax 3200 . .. "TMZ" by code, love that... (show quote)


TMZ always seemed to have a look that said, "surreptitious, clandestine, peeper, sneaky, spying..." Indeed, Kodak sold a lot of it to detectives and government intelligence agencies.

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Jul 23, 2018 12:37:28   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I usually do not have to add noise when I use my older Canon bodies. It just happens naturally! lol

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Jul 23, 2018 12:37:57   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
srt101fan wrote:
The instructor of a photography class I attended many years ago had a Minox subminiature camera in his gear collection (y'all remember those, right?). He could then say to clients "you want grain? I'll give you grain..."

I've seen many "grainy" photos that wouldn't have worked half as well without the grain. So grain can be and has been used as a creative tool to create moods, add an element of mystery, etc. But is digital "Noise" comparable to grain in that respect? Or is it always as objectionable (even "hateful") as some would have it? I know Noise is to be avoided in many (most?) forms of photography, but can it also be used creatively?

Curious how you all view this....If anyone has examples I'd love to see them!
The instructor of a photography class I attended m... (show quote)


Usually, in post-processing, best practice is to sharpen last. That may not apply to situations where you add a noise or grain filter. It is very easy to create ugly artifacts by over sharpening digital noise, and when digital noise is sharpened along with a film grain simulation, it only takes a little sharpening to create an ugly mess. Sharpening and noise reduction BEFORE applying a grain filter can reduce the ugliness of the noise artifacts.

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Jul 23, 2018 15:12:33   #
srt101fan
 
burkphoto wrote:
Usually, in post-processing, best practice is to sharpen last. That may not apply to situations where you add a noise or grain filter. It is very easy to create ugly artifacts by over sharpening digital noise, and when digital noise is sharpened along with a film grain simulation, it only takes a little sharpening to create an ugly mess. Sharpening and noise reduction BEFORE applying a grain filter can reduce the ugliness of the noise artifacts.


Thanks Bill, I'll keep that in mind as I learn the ins and outs of editing. After years of struggling with PhotoImpact (and doing only minor stuff), and only shooting JPEGs, I am now learning Affinity and shooting RAW (plus JPEGs; still need the security blanket!)

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Jul 23, 2018 15:14:02   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
srt101fan wrote:
Thanks Bill, I'll keep that in mind as I learn the ins and outs of editing. After years of struggling with PhotoImpact (and doing only minor stuff), and only shooting JPEGs, I am now learning Affinity and shooting RAW (plus JPEGs; still need the security blanket!)


Nothing wrong with the security blanket. Sometimes, a JPEG is all you need. As in all of photography, and life, it depends on the circumstances.

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Jul 23, 2018 19:47:29   #
jburlinson Loc: Austin, TX
 
srt101fan wrote:
The instructor of a photography class I attended many years ago had a Minox subminiature camera in his gear collection (y'all remember those, right?). He could then say to clients "you want grain? I'll give you grain..."

I've seen many "grainy" photos that wouldn't have worked half as well without the grain. So grain can be and has been used as a creative tool to create moods, add an element of mystery, etc. But is digital "Noise" comparable to grain in that respect? Or is it always as objectionable (even "hateful") as some would have it? I know Noise is to be avoided in many (most?) forms of photography, but can it also be used creatively?

Curious how you all view this....If anyone has examples I'd love to see them!
The instructor of a photography class I attended m... (show quote)


Sometimes it's interesting to mix noise and grain into your recipe. Please note -- "interesting" can mean many things.


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Jul 23, 2018 20:51:19   #
srt101fan
 
jburlinson wrote:
Sometimes it's interesting to mix noise and grain into your recipe. Please note -- "interesting" can mean many things.


Fantastic image, jburlinson...love it! Thanks!

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