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Jul 12, 2018 09:24:52   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
dennis2146 wrote:
A cousin sent this to me today. I have not seen it printed here on the UHH before. My apologies if it has been here before. It certainly can't hurt to be seen again. One man's opinion, and mine. I am certain many will agree. What do you readers think?

Dennis

This is a well-written article about a father who put several of his kids through expensive colleges but one wanted to be a Marine. Interesting observation by this dad. A very interesting commentary that says a lot about our failing and fallen society.

By Frank Schaeffer of the Washington Post

"Before my son became a Marine, I never thought much about who was defending me. Now when I read of the war
on terrorism or the conflict in Afghanistan, it cuts to my heart. When I see a picture of a member of our military who has been killed, I read his or her name very carefully. Sometimes I cry.

In 1999, when the barrel-chested Marine recruiter showed up in dress blues and bedazzled my son John, I did
not stand in the way. John was headstrong, and he seemed to understand these stern, clean men with straight backs and flawless uniforms. I did not. I live in the Volvo-driving, higher education-worshiping North Shore of Boston. I write novels for a living.
I have never served in the military.

It had been hard enough sending my two older children off to Georgetown and New York University. John's enlisting
was unexpected, so deeply unsettling I did not relish the prospect of answering the question, "So where is John going to college?" from the parents who were itching to tell me all about how their son or daughter was going to Harvard.

At the private high school John attended, no other students were going into the military.

"But aren't the Marines terribly Southern?" (Says a lot about open-mindedness in the Northeast) asked one
perplexed mother while standing next to me at the brunch following graduation.

"What a waste, he was such a good student," said another parent.

One parent (a professor at a nearby and rather famous university) spoke up at a school meeting and suggested
that the school should “carefully evaluate what went wrong."

When John graduated from three months of boot camp on Parris Island, 3000 parents and friends were in the
parade deck stands. We parents and our Marines not only were of many races but also were representative of many economic classes.
Many were poor. Some arrived crammed in the backs of pickups, others by bus.

John told me that a lot of parents could not afford the trip.

We in the audience were white and Native American. We were Hispanic, Arab, African American, and Asian.
We were former Marines wearing the scars of battle, or at least baseball caps emblazoned with battles' names. We were Southern whites from Nashville and skinheads from New Jersey, black kids from Cleveland wearing ghetto rags and white ex-cons with ham-hock
forearms defaced by jailhouse tattoos.

We would not have been mistaken for the educated and well-heeled parents gathered on the lawns of John’s private
school a half-year before.

After graduation one new Marine told John, "Before I was a Marine, if I had ever seen you on my block I would've
probably killed you just because you were standing there."

This was a serious statement from one of John’s good friends, a black ex-gang member from Detroit who, as
John said, "would die for me now, just like I'd die for him."

My son has connected me to my country in a way that I was too selfish and insular to experience before. I
feel closer to the waitress at our local diner than to some of my oldest friends. She has two sons in the Corps. They are facing the same dangers as my boy.

When the guy who fixes my car asks me how John is doing, I know he means it. His younger brother is in the
Navy.

Why were I and the other parents at my son's private school so surprised by his choice?

During World War II, the sons and daughters of the most powerful and educated families did their bit. If
the idea of the immorality of the Vietnam War was the only reason those lucky enough to go to college dodged the draft, why did we not encourage our children to volunteer for military service once that war was done?

Have we wealthy and educated Americans all become pacifists? Is the world a safe place? Or have we just gotten
used to having somebody else defend us?

What is the future of our democracy when the sons and daughters of the janitors at our elite universities
are far more likely to be put in harm’s way than are any of the students whose dorms their parents clean?

I feel shame because it took my son's joining the Marine Corps to make me take notice of who is defending
me. I feel hope because perhaps my son is part of a future "greatest generation." As the storm clouds of war gather, at least I know that I can look the men and women in uniform in the eye. My son is one of them. He is the best I have to offer. John is
my heart.

Faith is not about everything turning out OK. Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out.

Oh, how I wish so many of our younger generations could read this article. It makes me so sad to hear the
way they talk with no respect for what their fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers experienced so they can live in freedom. Those clowns in pro football that refuse to stand for our flag and national anthem are so clueless. The Hollywood celebrities
that support them are pathetically entitled. Freedom has been replaced with Free-Dumb.
A cousin sent this to me today. I have not seen i... (show quote)



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Jul 12, 2018 09:39:40   #
Schwabo Loc: Florida
 
Thank you, an eye opener. Oh, I no longer watch the NFL.

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Jul 12, 2018 09:55:18   #
kerry12 Loc: Harrisburg, Pa.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
A cousin sent this to me today. I have not seen it printed here on the UHH before. My apologies if it has been here before. It certainly can't hurt to be seen again. One man's opinion, and mine. I am certain many will agree. What do you readers think?

Dennis

This is a well-written article about a father who put several of his kids through expensive colleges but one wanted to be a Marine. Interesting observation by this dad. A very interesting commentary that says a lot about our failing and fallen society.

By Frank Schaeffer of the Washington Post

"Before my son became a Marine, I never thought much about who was defending me. Now when I read of the war
on terrorism or the conflict in Afghanistan, it cuts to my heart. When I see a picture of a member of our military who has been killed, I read his or her name very carefully. Sometimes I cry.

In 1999, when the barrel-chested Marine recruiter showed up in dress blues and bedazzled my son John, I did
not stand in the way. John was headstrong, and he seemed to understand these stern, clean men with straight backs and flawless uniforms. I did not. I live in the Volvo-driving, higher education-worshiping North Shore of Boston. I write novels for a living.
I have never served in the military.

It had been hard enough sending my two older children off to Georgetown and New York University. John's enlisting
was unexpected, so deeply unsettling I did not relish the prospect of answering the question, "So where is John going to college?" from the parents who were itching to tell me all about how their son or daughter was going to Harvard.

At the private high school John attended, no other students were going into the military.

"But aren't the Marines terribly Southern?" (Says a lot about open-mindedness in the Northeast) asked one
perplexed mother while standing next to me at the brunch following graduation.

"What a waste, he was such a good student," said another parent.

One parent (a professor at a nearby and rather famous university) spoke up at a school meeting and suggested
that the school should “carefully evaluate what went wrong."

When John graduated from three months of boot camp on Parris Island, 3000 parents and friends were in the
parade deck stands. We parents and our Marines not only were of many races but also were representative of many economic classes.
Many were poor. Some arrived crammed in the backs of pickups, others by bus.

John told me that a lot of parents could not afford the trip.

We in the audience were white and Native American. We were Hispanic, Arab, African American, and Asian.
We were former Marines wearing the scars of battle, or at least baseball caps emblazoned with battles' names. We were Southern whites from Nashville and skinheads from New Jersey, black kids from Cleveland wearing ghetto rags and white ex-cons with ham-hock
forearms defaced by jailhouse tattoos.

We would not have been mistaken for the educated and well-heeled parents gathered on the lawns of John’s private
school a half-year before.

After graduation one new Marine told John, "Before I was a Marine, if I had ever seen you on my block I would've
probably killed you just because you were standing there."

This was a serious statement from one of John’s good friends, a black ex-gang member from Detroit who, as
John said, "would die for me now, just like I'd die for him."

My son has connected me to my country in a way that I was too selfish and insular to experience before. I
feel closer to the waitress at our local diner than to some of my oldest friends. She has two sons in the Corps. They are facing the same dangers as my boy.

When the guy who fixes my car asks me how John is doing, I know he means it. His younger brother is in the
Navy.

Why were I and the other parents at my son's private school so surprised by his choice?

During World War II, the sons and daughters of the most powerful and educated families did their bit. If
the idea of the immorality of the Vietnam War was the only reason those lucky enough to go to college dodged the draft, why did we not encourage our children to volunteer for military service once that war was done?

Have we wealthy and educated Americans all become pacifists? Is the world a safe place? Or have we just gotten
used to having somebody else defend us?

What is the future of our democracy when the sons and daughters of the janitors at our elite universities
are far more likely to be put in harm’s way than are any of the students whose dorms their parents clean?

I feel shame because it took my son's joining the Marine Corps to make me take notice of who is defending
me. I feel hope because perhaps my son is part of a future "greatest generation." As the storm clouds of war gather, at least I know that I can look the men and women in uniform in the eye. My son is one of them. He is the best I have to offer. John is
my heart.

Faith is not about everything turning out OK. Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out.

Oh, how I wish so many of our younger generations could read this article. It makes me so sad to hear the
way they talk with no respect for what their fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers experienced so they can live in freedom. Those clowns in pro football that refuse to stand for our flag and national anthem are so clueless. The Hollywood celebrities
that support them are pathetically entitled. Freedom has been replaced with Free-Dumb.
A cousin sent this to me today. I have not seen i... (show quote)



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Jul 12, 2018 10:03:51   #
Bob Boner
 
My son joined the marines a year out of high school. He went to sign up for the reserves, but the marine who signed him up got him to sign up for active duty. My son really matured in the marines. The values he learned there have stayed with him in the years since his term was up. It turns out that is was really good for him.

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Jul 12, 2018 10:24:47   #
fhadfield
 
Semper Fi to all who served and God bless them all.

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Jul 12, 2018 10:31:33   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
dennis2146 wrote:
A cousin sent this to me today. I have not seen it printed here on the UHH before. My apologies if it has been here before. It certainly can't hurt to be seen again. One man's opinion, and mine. I am certain many will agree. What do you readers think?

Dennis

This is a well-written article about a father who put several of his kids through expensive colleges but one wanted to be a Marine. Interesting observation by this dad. A very interesting commentary that says a lot about our failing and fallen society.

By Frank Schaeffer of the Washington Post

"Before my son became a Marine, I never thought much about who was defending me. Now when I read of the war
on terrorism or the conflict in Afghanistan, it cuts to my heart. When I see a picture of a member of our military who has been killed, I read his or her name very carefully. Sometimes I cry.

In 1999, when the barrel-chested Marine recruiter showed up in dress blues and bedazzled my son John, I did
not stand in the way. John was headstrong, and he seemed to understand these stern, clean men with straight backs and flawless uniforms. I did not. I live in the Volvo-driving, higher education-worshiping North Shore of Boston. I write novels for a living.
I have never served in the military.

It had been hard enough sending my two older children off to Georgetown and New York University. John's enlisting
was unexpected, so deeply unsettling I did not relish the prospect of answering the question, "So where is John going to college?" from the parents who were itching to tell me all about how their son or daughter was going to Harvard.

At the private high school John attended, no other students were going into the military.

"But aren't the Marines terribly Southern?" (Says a lot about open-mindedness in the Northeast) asked one
perplexed mother while standing next to me at the brunch following graduation.

"What a waste, he was such a good student," said another parent.

One parent (a professor at a nearby and rather famous university) spoke up at a school meeting and suggested
that the school should “carefully evaluate what went wrong."

When John graduated from three months of boot camp on Parris Island, 3000 parents and friends were in the
parade deck stands. We parents and our Marines not only were of many races but also were representative of many economic classes.
Many were poor. Some arrived crammed in the backs of pickups, others by bus.

John told me that a lot of parents could not afford the trip.

We in the audience were white and Native American. We were Hispanic, Arab, African American, and Asian.
We were former Marines wearing the scars of battle, or at least baseball caps emblazoned with battles' names. We were Southern whites from Nashville and skinheads from New Jersey, black kids from Cleveland wearing ghetto rags and white ex-cons with ham-hock
forearms defaced by jailhouse tattoos.

We would not have been mistaken for the educated and well-heeled parents gathered on the lawns of John’s private
school a half-year before.

After graduation one new Marine told John, "Before I was a Marine, if I had ever seen you on my block I would've
probably killed you just because you were standing there."

This was a serious statement from one of John’s good friends, a black ex-gang member from Detroit who, as
John said, "would die for me now, just like I'd die for him."

My son has connected me to my country in a way that I was too selfish and insular to experience before. I
feel closer to the waitress at our local diner than to some of my oldest friends. She has two sons in the Corps. They are facing the same dangers as my boy.

When the guy who fixes my car asks me how John is doing, I know he means it. His younger brother is in the
Navy.

Why were I and the other parents at my son's private school so surprised by his choice?

During World War II, the sons and daughters of the most powerful and educated families did their bit. If
the idea of the immorality of the Vietnam War was the only reason those lucky enough to go to college dodged the draft, why did we not encourage our children to volunteer for military service once that war was done?

Have we wealthy and educated Americans all become pacifists? Is the world a safe place? Or have we just gotten
used to having somebody else defend us?

What is the future of our democracy when the sons and daughters of the janitors at our elite universities
are far more likely to be put in harm’s way than are any of the students whose dorms their parents clean?

I feel shame because it took my son's joining the Marine Corps to make me take notice of who is defending
me. I feel hope because perhaps my son is part of a future "greatest generation." As the storm clouds of war gather, at least I know that I can look the men and women in uniform in the eye. My son is one of them. He is the best I have to offer. John is
my heart.

Faith is not about everything turning out OK. Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out.

Oh, how I wish so many of our younger generations could read this article. It makes me so sad to hear the
way they talk with no respect for what their fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers experienced so they can live in freedom. Those clowns in pro football that refuse to stand for our flag and national anthem are so clueless. The Hollywood celebrities
that support them are pathetically entitled. Freedom has been replaced with Free-Dumb.
A cousin sent this to me today. I have not seen i... (show quote)


Excellent.....thanks for sharing with the rest of us.

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Jul 12, 2018 10:34:29   #
cidbearit Loc: Canton, MI, USA
 
Thank you for posting. I have a son, the middle of three, who chose to serve in the USMC. He is at Camp Lejeune now, having recently returned from Okinawa. His brothers and I could not be more proud, nor more humbled, by the commitment he and so many others are making, and have made, for those of us who have not served. God bless all those who serve on our behalf!

Dennis

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Jul 12, 2018 12:52:40   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
So we’ll stated The vast majority of our generation served in one capacity or another. Mandatory service has worked well for some other countries. As stated by someone before if a young person today is mot qualified for military, they can service in some other form that continues to make this country the great country it has been for over 2 centuries. IMHO.

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Jul 12, 2018 12:59:56   #
Don W-37 Loc: Bangkok, Thailand
 
Great article. Enjoyed my Navy career. I enlisted with only a high school diploma as the lowest rank, a seaman recruit, and retired after 23 years as a lieutenant commander with an MBA. Along the way, I was a chief petty officer, a warrant officer and a chief warrant officer.

The Navy very good to me. It taught me most of what I needed to know about life!

Don Watson, LCDR, USN (ret)

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Jul 12, 2018 13:01:29   #
Atary
 
I immigrated to this country legally at the age of twenty and started making some noises about going to college. At a university where I inquired I bumped into the head of the ROTC program who suggested that I enlist in the Army Reserve. I did, and fulfilled my military obligation shortly after graduating. When in the military some things are a pain in a region halfway between the neck and the ground but in retrospect: Military service is a privilege. I served in the Army, my brother served in the Marine Corps. Damn right!

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Jul 12, 2018 13:02:18   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Atary wrote:
I immigrated to this country legally at the age of twenty and started making some noises about going to college. At a university where I inquired I bumped into the head of the ROTC program who suggested that I enlist in the Army Reserve. I did, and fulfilled my military obligation shortly after graduating. When in the military some things are a pain in a region halfway between the neck and the ground but in retrospect: Military service is a privilege. I served in the Army, my brother served in the Marine Corps. Damn right!
I immigrated to this country legally at the age of... (show quote)



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Jul 12, 2018 13:46:24   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
wilpharm wrote:
you old lying asshole....it hasnt been that long since you stated draftees were poor soldiers & not fit for combat...Altzheimers progressing much???
Maybe you should stand in front of the Vietnam wall & say that...


In the early 60's most draftees were assigned to infantry units, thus over half (probably more like 2/3 to 3/4) of the men in my platoon in Vietnam were draftees. They fought just as hard and died just as bloody as any of us enlistees. Circumstances change attitudes. None of my sons or stepsons has served in the militay and I am glad that they didn't have to, but I think they would all have been better men if they had. Just one old fart's opinion...

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Jul 12, 2018 13:58:00   #
GeneS Loc: Glendale,AZ
 
I'm a 100% disabled Marine, and would join again in a minute. Hell I'm still a Marine for life

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Jul 12, 2018 14:10:51   #
tinwhistle
 
Four years in the USAF back in the mid '60s: 65 and 66 in a quaint little country called Vietnam, as crew chief on a C-130E. One job we did was move troops around. Could not tell who was enlistee or draftee. But times have changed, there is not much need today for conscription. As a matter of fact, if you want to enlist you had better have your ducks in a row. As stated, times have changed, young folks today are taught that the US military is a bad thing, the root of all evil. That's why I have nothing but respect for those young folks who heeded the call and have donned the uniform and shouldered the freedom of our nation. No more honorable profession than serving the United States of America. Despite what some have said in their reply to the OP; if you haven't served you simply do not understand...

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Jul 12, 2018 14:12:27   #
AZ Dog Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
I am a retired Marine (Vietnam vet) and my wife is a Marine also. Our daughter is proud to be a Marine Brat. If I had it to do again, I would run, not walk to the recruiting office

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