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Jun 24, 2018 08:01:25   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
anotherview wrote:
The U.S. Supreme Court took up the sales tax question with this conclusion already in place:

"Today, States' inability to effectively collect sales tax from internet sellers imposes crushing harm on state treasuries and brick-and-mortar retailers alike." (found at: https://www.supremecourt.gov/qp/17-00494qp.pdf)

I'm going to locate the sales tax ruling, to read it. I buy online. I expect the ruling will affect me via increased taxation.


Also, the burden of increased welfare payments and the cost to taxpayers for illegal aliens. The states and federal Govt. need money for these people.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:13:41   #
haze63 Loc: Tiffin Ohio
 
What doesn't make any sense to me is that I have to pay taxes on my money when I earn it. Then I have to turn around and pay taxes on it again when I spend it.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:13:51   #
GPappy Loc: Finally decided to plop down, Clover, S.C.
 
WHERE you live has nothing to do with it! I live in Oregon that has no sales tax but if I purchase an item and have it shipped to my bro-in-laws place in SC I usually get charged sales tax.
Personally I don't understand people and why they don't P&M about sales taxes in the first place. Why not just add it in the marked price. That way you could buy a $9.99 item with a $10 bill. It sure is nice being able to make purchases and know exactly how much it will cost out of pocket.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:14:18   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
No it doesn't. It means that the state, county and city in which you live collects the tax. But first, the vendor must collect the tax from the POS (point of sale) and then forward the money to the state, county and city in which that person lives. There are literally thousands of different tax rates for different states and cities. I live in Orange County CA and the tax is 7.75% in LA, one county over it's 9.5%. But that's just an estimate. It depends on each city too. Take a look at the rate website below. Imagine being a lonely ecommerce company that sells product over the internet and the nightmare you'll encounter by trying to figure out what city and state or county gets what for the widget you just sold for a dollar three ninety eight.

https://www.avalara.com/taxrates/en/download-tax-tables.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw37fZBRD3ARIsAJihSr3Xw2v1BCFEAFjTySlwvYrd7OLQJSF219jEQkLRmX5xUxi5hrv4LAEaAgFQEALw_wcB&CampaignID=7010b000001DgsXAAS&st-t=all_visitors&lso=Paid%20Digital&lsmr=Paid%20Digital&s_kwcid=AL!5131!3!228169930994!b!!g!!%2Bstate%20%2Bsales%20%2Btaxes&ef_id=WK6qeQAABWnSHtyB:20180623161025:s
No it doesn't. It means that the state, county an... (show quote)


Yes there are thousands of jurisdictions, and that is why there are a number of companies whose sole purpose is to provide other selling organizations an automated way to handle exactly this requirement, for example, Vertex.
https://www.vertexinc.com/

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Jun 24, 2018 08:15:22   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
NCMtnMan wrote:
Not so easy. There are literally thousands of taxes involved. State, county, local, municipalities etc. I had a small business that I just sold. I had customers in multiple counties with different county rates. Even with the software to calculate the taxes, it took the better part of an hour to file all of the forms required each month. This ruling will shut down many small operations, and stop others from starting up as they cannot afford the expense and time involved. The only solution will be for Congress to pass an Internet sales tax that applies to all states.
Not so easy. There are literally thousands of tax... (show quote)




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Jun 24, 2018 08:22:13   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
warrior wrote:
Now that the Supreme Court has ruled on Collecting of Sales Tax. Does this mean If I purchase a item from a state that has a lower rate than mine collects my state rate?


Yep! You pay your state's tax even when you don't buy in your state. Pretty soon, we'll have border guards at all state borders to collect sales tax.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:22:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
f8lee wrote:
Yes there are thousands of jurisdictions, and that is why there are a number of companies whose sole purpose is to provide other selling organizations an automated way to handle exactly this requirement, for example, Vertex.
https://www.vertexinc.com/


With the cost passed on to the customer.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:25:41   #
Elsiss Loc: Bayside, NY, Boynton Beach, Fl.
 
What happens to the little guy or occasional seller on eBay?

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Jun 24, 2018 08:27:24   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
jerryc41 wrote:
With the cost passed on to the customer.


Costs are always passed on to the customer...

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Jun 24, 2018 08:27:54   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
warrior wrote:
Now that the Supreme Court has ruled on Collecting of Sales Tax. Does this mean If I purchase a item from a state that has a lower rate than mine collects my state rate?


Typically, it will be sales tax based on the buyer's location and not the store's. For instance, B&H is located in NYC... I'm pretty sure that their sales tax is quite a bit higher than Clearwater Fl... but I will be charged sales tax based on MY location (Florida) verses New York. This also means that if you were to purchase something (mail order) from Delaware (which, if memory serves me) has no sales tax, you will still be charged sales tax for YOUR location... Florida, New York, California... etc.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:33:54   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Sales tax should never be more than a one time thing for any item bought new - folks buying used items (of any type) should never have to pay tax - that happened the first time the item was sold. What we are really being hit with is taxation of "transactions". I have never felt that was right. If I buy a new item from a "no sale tax" state, I should not be charged tax regardless of where I live.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:35:27   #
LarryFitz Loc: Beacon NY
 
Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.

— Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to Jean-Baptiste Leroy, 1789

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Jun 24, 2018 08:38:15   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Update: Okay, I have found the ruling, and I read about half of it, but enough to grasp a central, controlling argument: the virtual presence of a seller produces the nexus requiring the seller to collect and remit tax for its sales within a state. In other words, the physical presence requirement for a seller to collect tax has become outmoded due to the pervasiveness of the Internet in commerce.

Now states will realize more sales tax revenue from this ruling.

But does this state benefit translate in some way to in-state retailers in competition with online retailers? The latter still typically offer more selection. The latter can still centralize their warehousing and distribution centers, taking advantage of scale and volume. The latter still provide the service of delivery to the front door of the buyer.

As well, the latter's business model cuts the need for a buyer to prepare to go out, to exit his dwelling, to travel to a physical store, to find parking, to locate the desired product, to put up with the crowd, to fight automobile traffic, to interact with salespeople, to stand in line to pay for the product, and then to travel back to his dwelling, all at cost of time, energy, and automobile wear-and-tear along with the personal expenditure of effort.

Assuming real value to lie in the expended and associated activity of the buyer, paying a sales tax seems like a small extra fiscal burden outweighed by buyer convenience. In fact, by this measure, the decline and disappearance of the brick-and-mortar business will continue apace. The imposed sales tax may only slow the trend toward obsolescence of most traditional retailers.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:41:42   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I saw this coming. It is in simple terms another way to collect more money by the government.
If I am going to be fair I have to say that all in-line stores are hurting local business. I buy regularly from Pitman Photo here in Miami and in a conversation with the manager he told me that the store has been practically on the border of collapse because they cannot compete with those that sell without collecting tax like they do. I remember Pitman used to be a big photo store and now they are renting a small space in a shopping center limiting their assortment of photographic gear.

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Jun 24, 2018 08:42:25   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
On first view, this opinion makes sense: "The only solution will be for Congress to pass an Internet sales tax that applies to all states."
NCMtnMan wrote:
Not so easy. There are literally thousands of taxes involved. State, county, local, municipalities etc. I had a small business that I just sold. I had customers in multiple counties with different county rates. Even with the software to calculate the taxes, it took the better part of an hour to file all of the forms required each month. This ruling will shut down many small operations, and stop others from starting up as they cannot afford the expense and time involved. The only solution will be for Congress to pass an Internet sales tax that applies to all states.
Not so easy. There are literally thousands of tax... (show quote)

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