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May 30, 2018 10:36:05   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
Jonathan wrote:
Hogs: Three interrelated technique and digital printing questions: How do you spot doge and burn using any of these processing platforms—Lightszone, Canon proprietary DPP, PhotoScape, GIMP 2 – in all of them there are ways to change the tones, saturation, contrast, backlight, alien infrared, sepia, on the entire image but no ability to selectively “spot” hold light back or add light (data) in as I used to do in, in my darkroom for over 30 years. I’m including a recent image of a waterfall as an example. Shot in color in Raw, converted with Canon DPP for HDR, one would want to burn in the bushes a bit more on both the right and left bottoms. But darkening the image ruins the details in the black and gray shadows in the foreground on both the right and left. How can you digitally doge and burn? If buying Adobe Photoshop is the way, I’ll do it. Next Q. - there are B & White presets, Grayscale, Bandicoot and Sepia, but I have never seen any ooption in any program for Selenium printing. What gives with that? Finally, is there any qualitative difference between printing at COSTCO and printing at Staples? I frequently see recommendations for COSTCO here at UHH. I have a hardly used Canon i950 at home and could download drivers, buy new inks, etc. but there is currently a very good Canon promotion on the Pixma Pro 100 so wouldn’t that be better? Why print at COSTCO or Staples if you have a 13 X 19 pro printer? Sorry, I guess that was 4 questions! Thanks in advance.
Hogs: Three interrelated technique and digital pri... (show quote)


Johnathan, I too am a 'fan' of dodging and burning-in, and find Photoshop Elements most handy in doing so. You can do either under controlled amounts. I believe '18' is still the most current version but any Elements will offer this possibility. Elements is much less expensive than Photoshop, and you can buy it outright, without having to RENT it.

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May 30, 2018 11:36:02   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
[quote=AndyH]The version of Lightroom I just acquired offers the selenium toning process in its standard menu. Works pretty well to simulate the effects of selenium toner on the most receptive papers from back in the old days. I've been playing around with it recently, and I really like it.

Andy

COOL! ...and it won't diffuse through the skin and cause serious illness!

I use to use a diluted selenium toner on all my prints for archival processing. There was no change in the image tone but it would intensity the blacks and improve the longevity. I always used gloves for that!

Regards, Ed.

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May 30, 2018 11:45:26   #
DanielJDLM
 
Try Photoshop Elements or On1 Photo Raw.

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May 30, 2018 12:21:02   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:

COOL! ...and it won't diffuse through the skin and cause serious illness!

I use to use a diluted selenium toner on all my prints for archival processing. There was no change in the image tone but it would intensity the blacks and improve the longevity. I always used gloves for that!

Regards, Ed.


We were young and thought we were invincible. Most of us also smoked cigarettes and drove without a seatbelt.

I'm trying to remember which paper used to take the selenium best - but I thought it gave a rich black with a subtle purplish undertone. Maybe an Ilford? or Agfa? Whatever it was, I loved the look (as well as the archival improvement). Finding the slider in LR was a little "Whee!" moment.

Andy

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May 30, 2018 19:05:24   #
MissSue
 
My Costco prints never print like they should... dark and drab. I’ve tried a couple of times and my Canon 9000 is far better... I also print online with Forever.com with great results.

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May 30, 2018 19:50:00   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
AndyH wrote:
Actually a lot more than four questions. Selenium toning is available in Lightroom. Dodging and burning can be done several ways in all of those systems, although I think LightRoom is the easiest. In any system it can easily be done by creating a masking layer, selectively bringing down highlights or bringing up shadows in that area, and merging the layers with a soft edge between the various layers. Quality printers are not cheap and are a little fussy if not well maintained - if you're not going to use it regularly, it's not generally going to pay off. The Pixma with full tanks is about $350, and paper's $10-15 for 8x10, $30 or $40 for 11x14. The math is easy to do, but if you're not planning to run at least a couple of pieces per week through it, you may have problems with ink drying, etc. Costco uses high quality printers and it's about six bucks for a 16x20. That makes a cheap "no fuss" alternative for many people.


Plenty more information on the UHH if you use the search feature.

Andy
Actually a lot more than four questions. Selenium ... (show quote)


Actually, I’ve had my Pro 100 for some time, and I have never had an ink clog of any kind.

Murray

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May 30, 2018 20:42:25   #
Jonathan
 
I like Ilford. loved the blacks.

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May 30, 2018 20:55:16   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Murray wrote:
Actually, I’ve had my Pro 100 for some time, and I have never had an ink clog of any kind.

Murray


Hi Murray,

How often do you use it? The vendor told me that less than twice a week made clogging “normal”.

Andy

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May 30, 2018 21:02:40   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
AndyH wrote:
Hi Murray,

How often do you use it? The vendor told me that less than twice a week made clogging “normal”.

Andy


Hi Andrew:

Generally, one session (1day) per month would be a lot. As I think I said earlier, I do use OEM inks. So what the vendor says doesn’t seem to apply to this printer, which I’ve owned for 3-4 years (I think)

Regards, Murray

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May 30, 2018 21:07:20   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Murray wrote:
Hi Andrew:

Generally, one session (1day) per month would be a lot. As I think I said earlier, I do use OEM inks. So what the vendor says doesn’t seem to apply to this printer, which I’ve owned for 3-4 years (I think)

Regards, Murray


Let me know the number of the next Lotto ticket you buy. I want what you’re having!



Andy “Lucky Dog” H

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May 30, 2018 21:08:52   #
waynetgreen Loc: Florida
 
I use Photoshop Elements and the burn/dodge feature is in the toolbox. Quick and easy.

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May 30, 2018 21:11:15   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
AndyH wrote:
Let me know the number of the next Lotto ticket you buy. I want what you’re having!



Andy “Lucky Dog” H


If I get the winner, I ain’t telling🤞🤞

Murray

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May 30, 2018 21:20:15   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Murray wrote:
If I get the winner, I ain’t telling🤞🤞

Murray


I think you already did, at least insofar as your printer goes!



Andy

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May 30, 2018 22:26:11   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
AndyH wrote:
We were young and thought we were invincible. Most of us also smoked cigarettes and drove without a seatbelt.

I'm trying to remember which paper used to take the selenium best - but I thought it gave a rich black with a subtle purplish undertone. Maybe an Ilford? or Agfa? Whatever it was, I loved the look (as well as the archival improvement). Finding the slider in LR was a little "Whee!" moment
Selrniu
Andy



Selenium worked well on Kodak Ektalure, Medalist, Ansco Indiatone and several other chlorobromide papers.

Nostalgia! Ed😁

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May 30, 2018 23:30:29   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Selenium worked well on Kodak Ektalure, Medalist, Ansco Indiatone and several other chlorobromide papers.

Nostalgia! Ed😁


Ektalure is the one I used to favor! Thanks for the reminder.

Andy

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