Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Why "Full Manual"
Page <<first <prev 5 of 13 next> last>>
May 23, 2018 19:10:47   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
most of us hogs, rely on our cameras for assistance.

Reply
May 23, 2018 19:19:32   #
rmacilroy Loc: pompano beach, fl
 
manuel teaches me how to use light slow leaner that i am but i am learning ha

Reply
May 23, 2018 20:28:32   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
bull drink water wrote:
most of us hogs, rely on our cameras for assistance.


That may be because the majority of members here only understand about half the functionality, or less, of their cameras

Reply
 
 
May 23, 2018 20:38:16   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a few days, and we have learned that "about" 8-out-of-every-10 Hogs set their camera exposure controls manually, I'm just curious (as Chaostrain was originally) as to "why?" The vast majority of Hogs seem to have/use modern cameras that come with a whole lot more Bells-and-Whistles than my trusty Nikon FM did. It sure seems like the vast majority do "some amount" of computer post-processing on their images, so we must admit that they have no fear/distrust of technology. If they/we follow the recommendation of the on-board light meter in setting the camera's controls, then why restrict ourselves to the "stepped" shutter speeds available in our cameras rather than setting the aperture and letting the camera set "what should be" a more accurate stepless shutter speed to get as close as possible to "optimal exposure?"

Digital photography isn't like shooting "unforgiving chromes" was. But every book/article that I have read on the subject still recommends that we get the digital exposure as close as possible to our optimum. And, granted, tweeking expose of images in PP is one of the easiest things one can do in photography today. So I'm sure that there must be a logical reason to shoot "Full Manual." I just was wondering if someone could articulate for me what that/those reason/s might be as opposed to using Aperture Priority where we still set everything ourselves except the proper "stepless" shutter speed that we cannot manually set.
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a f... (show quote)


More and more often I'm going to Aperture rather than full manual. I bought the online series of lessons given by Nat Geo photographer, Joel Sartori. He uses A setting most of the time. If it's good enough for him it's good enough for me. I have found that I get a lot more usable shots that way too.

Reply
May 23, 2018 21:12:05   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Photocraig wrote:
Shooting Aperture and shutter priority are nice semi auto conveniences. But, that certain percentage of the time in changing, or tricky light or when you want to emphasize or de-emphasize parts of an image, it is better to go to Manual and set the exact exposure that will yield your desired image. Exposure Compensation and other ways to get those shots, for me, is more tricky than Manual.

And I don't remember if my FM2 had any of that, anyway. I'll have to check,
C


Quick note, craig. Nikon FM2 = no semi-auto exposure. Manual exposure only. Good camera!

Reply
May 23, 2018 21:15:50   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
clickety wrote:
How do I/you know this? I have spent too much time this afternoon shooting my canons in AP mode at random subjects and every one shows being exposed to the shutter speed step displayed in camera. Will I see something else in Lightroom?


Clickety, you can take a shot with your Canon and then look at the Metadata info. Whatever setting your camera "says" it uses, the metadata will tell you what was actually used.

http://exif.regex.info/exif.cgi

Reply
May 24, 2018 06:01:10   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a few days, and we have learned that "about" 8-out-of-every-10 Hogs set their camera exposure controls manually, I'm just curious (as Chaostrain was originally) as to "why?" The vast majority of Hogs seem to have/use modern cameras that come with a whole lot more Bells-and-Whistles than my trusty Nikon FM did. It sure seems like the vast majority do "some amount" of computer post-processing on their images, so we must admit that they have no fear/distrust of technology. If they/we follow the recommendation of the on-board light meter in setting the camera's controls, then why restrict ourselves to the "stepped" shutter speeds available in our cameras rather than setting the aperture and letting the camera set "what should be" a more accurate stepless shutter speed to get as close as possible to "optimal exposure?"

Digital photography isn't like shooting "unforgiving chromes" was. But every book/article that I have read on the subject still recommends that we get the digital exposure as close as possible to our optimum. And, granted, tweeking expose of images in PP is one of the easiest things one can do in photography today. So I'm sure that there must be a logical reason to shoot "Full Manual." I just was wondering if someone could articulate for me what that/those reason/s might be as opposed to using Aperture Priority where we still set everything ourselves except the proper "stepless" shutter speed that we cannot manually set.
Now that Chaostrain's poll has been out there a f... (show quote)


Because the camera does not "know" what the photographer wishes to achieve with a particular shot. If I merely set the aperture, how would my camera decide if the subject required a shutter speed of 1/1600th of 1/2500th? How would it "know" if I wanted to track a subject at a low shutter speed in order to blurr the background.

Reply
 
 
May 24, 2018 06:05:09   #
BebuLamar
 
Jerrin1 wrote:
Because the camera does not "know" what the photographer wishes to achieve with a particular shot. If I merely set the aperture, how would my camera decide if the subject required a shutter speed of 1/1600th of 1/2500th? How would it "know" if I wanted to track a subject at a low shutter speed in order to blurr the background.


So you don't care about how bright or dark the image is?

Reply
May 24, 2018 06:18:56   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
philo wrote:
ego


Yeah, that and they say they do. Who knows, only the shadow knows.

Reply
May 24, 2018 06:27:38   #
John Gavin
 
I use (what I believe is) full manual half of the time because I started out clueless Christmas day when I got a d3400 and started out shooting wildly in that "auto" setting which seemed to work pretty well. But there were a lot more buttons and I'd play with them and nothing would work. So I signed up for a beginner's course I just finished and in essence was taught how to get out of auto and start learning how to begin to manually set iso speed and aperture and manually focus. But before I take a shot now, I put the camera in auto and take a shot and then try and take the same shot fully manual to see if I can more or less replicate what the camera did. That's what I was taught to do so that's what I do. I'm slowly getting better but I have a long way to go. Looking through a viewfinder and changing settings in manual I find still difficult to do and find much easier on a tripod when the scene isn't changing on me so much. In a changing environment auto works better for me because the camera reacts faster than i can adjusting things. Example is hummingbirds in our yard. Given the time to set up a tripod and focus where i want, i find i can get better pictures than i can in auto. However i have a family gathering this weekend and i already know although i might sneak over to manual, the speed i can change things will be too slow and memories gone so, full auto it will be. In September the next course is all about understanding and using light both natural and artificial and I can already see that's probably going to be more difficult than learning to shoot manual. It was explained to me that controlling light was only the next step in manual. In January I have my last course in composition and was told this is the last step in manual. So I do use manual in the camera half the time but apparently I have a long way to go and I haven't even gotten my arms around manipulating things in Lightroom yet

Reply
May 24, 2018 06:29:41   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Jerrin1 wrote:
Because the camera does not "know" what the photographer wishes to achieve with a particular shot. If I merely set the aperture, how would my camera decide if the subject required a shutter speed of 1/1600th of 1/2500th? How would it "know" if I wanted to track a subject at a low shutter speed in order to blurr the background.


Actually, for landscapes, I point the light meter at what I want to be a certain tonality (usually middle gray). Having set the ISO and the f/stop, the camera would then "know" that I want that particular subject to be that particular tone. Some of the comments here "seem" to assume that folks just "point-and-click" these Techno-wonders when they use a Mode that "helps" with exposure. An easy bad habit to get into with auto-focus, Program Mode, Matrix Metering, Auto ISO, Auto White Balance, etc all available.

Reply
 
 
May 24, 2018 06:51:43   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
With the advent of the famed Nikon F3hp I became an apture priority mode guy and like many Nikon shooters still shoot in “A” mode. That said I watch my SS as to not go to slow! So with digital still a lot of “A” mode.

Reply
May 24, 2018 06:52:04   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
Essentially, the camera's "automatic" modes are set to present a certain look - manual allows me to set the camera for the look I want

Reply
May 24, 2018 07:02:43   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I am going to give you my opinion on this matter. In the first place, if anybody thinks that post processing fixes everything including serious exposure mistakes that is totally wrong. Highlights clipping is the worst thing that can happen to a file.

When a camera is set to full automation it cannot do what we expect from it simply because the camera has no brain and as such it does not know what we want. Remember that cameras and lenses are only tools. The skilled photographer will use auto but he is aware of what the camera is doing and can take control when necessary. Let the camera work in full auto and the camera is in control, not the photographer. Under those conditions we have to take what the camera will give us.

In the manual mode we are in full control. If something goes wrong it is not the camera but the photographer. It makes a big difference when we use post processing to enhance our images and when we use it to try to correct our mistakes or the camera's mistakes.

I do not use manual at all times but when I select an auto mode like aperture or shutter priority I know exactly when the camera will need help to give me the type of image I have in mind.

Reply
May 24, 2018 07:05:11   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
camerapapi wrote:
I am going to give you my opinion on this matter. In the first place, if anybody thinks that post processing fixes everything including serious exposure mistakes that is totally wrong. Highlights clipping is the worst thing that can happen to a file.

When a camera is set to full automation it cannot do what we expect from it simply because the camera has no brain and as such it does not know what we want. Remember that cameras and lenses are only tools. The skilled photographer will use auto but he is aware of what the camera is doing and can take control when necessary. Let the camera work in full auto and the camera is in control, not the photographer. Under those conditions we have to take what the camera will give us.

In the manual mode we are in full control. If something goes wrong it is not the camera but the photographer. It makes a big difference when we use post processing to enhance our images and when we use it to try to correct our mistakes or the camera's mistakes.

I do not use manual at all times but when I select an auto mode like aperture or shutter priority I know exactly when the camera will need help to give me the type of image I have in mind.
I am going to give you my opinion on this matter. ... (show quote)


ZZZZZ

Reply
Page <<first <prev 5 of 13 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.