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Mar 4, 2018 06:01:20   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
abstractist72 wrote:
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the same way I do.

I started taking photographs 57 years ago with a Zeiss Ikon rangefinder 35 mm film camera.

I developed my own film and printed black and white photos for around 15 years, having moved to a few better cameras in the process.

1st upgrade was a Honeywell Pentax SLR with 35 mm, 55 mm and 135 mm lenses.

Later to a Nikon FM2 with 28 mm, 55 mm, 135 mm, and 200 mm.

Using every conceivable type of film possible.

I did portraiture, weddings, anniversary parties, Nature, you name it I just about photographed it.

This was all a hobby for me, I was only a professionally employed photographer for about 2 months, long story (won't go into that).

My GRIPE is what the camera companies did and did not do, and there missed opportunities when they developed DSLR cameras.

Now I would like to say, my camera bag had many varieties of film always ready for any occasion.

And when I would compose and shoot the image, I stopped using a light meter many years ago, as I was as accurate as my Lunapro would say for a certain scene.

Retired, I was given a DSLR 35 mm size Nikon for a Christmas present, with 2 lenses. It was a bundle.

So here are some GRIPES:

1: After so many years of shooting film, I knew which film to grab for what occasion, and what ASA would work the best for that situation. DSLR camera makers should have given the owners of these cameras, a set of film types, to choose from, and the camera would mimic the results of those types of film. So If I wanted to use a Fuj1 400, I could choose that in a menu, and the camera would act as if I had Fuji 400 in the camera.

2: I have a lot of very good camera equipment, that is now like the old toys in Toy Story, that FM2 is a wonderful camera, and Nikon should have made it possible for owners of their cameras, to send them in to be retrofitted with DSLR innards.

3: Feeling stupid, because the instruction are printed for someone that can read and follow instructions. I cannot, I am a visual learner, I learn by watching, and by doing. My camera has charts and graphs and histograms??????
I would just like to not feel so stupid, and be able to create those great pictures that I did with my film cameras.

4: Using this Nikon DSLR it almost like a chore, the ASA is off the wall, and I try to think what can this camera do for me, I know there are great possibilities, but 1/2 the time, I cannot find the right setting is in in Wrenches, or the Camera body?

5: I believe if a camera company, made the adjustments, that I have stated, being able to mimic film, by choosing the type of film in a menu, VPS, Tri-X, Kodacolor, Fuji 200, etc. I think that would go a long way to help older film camera users be able to accomplish getting the most out of their cameras.
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the sa... (show quote)


Sour grapes because you're too lazy to learn how to use the new technology, which in fact is far better than the old.

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Mar 4, 2018 06:12:43   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
abstractist72 wrote:
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the same way I do.

I started taking photographs 57 years ago with a Zeiss Ikon rangefinder 35 mm film camera.

I developed my own film and printed black and white photos for around 15 years, having moved to a few better cameras in the process.

1st upgrade was a Honeywell Pentax SLR with 35 mm, 55 mm and 135 mm lenses.

Later to a Nikon FM2 with 28 mm, 55 mm, 135 mm, and 200 mm.

Using every conceivable type of film possible.

I did portraiture, weddings, anniversary parties, Nature, you name it I just about photographed it.

This was all a hobby for me, I was only a professionally employed photographer for about 2 months, long story (won't go into that).

My GRIPE is what the camera companies did and did not do, and there missed opportunities when they developed DSLR cameras.

Now I would like to say, my camera bag had many varieties of film always ready for any occasion.

And when I would compose and shoot the image, I stopped using a light meter many years ago, as I was as accurate as my Lunapro would say for a certain scene.

Retired, I was given a DSLR 35 mm size Nikon for a Christmas present, with 2 lenses. It was a bundle.

So here are some GRIPES:

1: After so many years of shooting film, I knew which film to grab for what occasion, and what ASA would work the best for that situation. DSLR camera makers should have given the owners of these cameras, a set of film types, to choose from, and the camera would mimic the results of those types of film. So If I wanted to use a Fuj1 400, I could choose that in a menu, and the camera would act as if I had Fuji 400 in the camera.

2: I have a lot of very good camera equipment, that is now like the old toys in Toy Story, that FM2 is a wonderful camera, and Nikon should have made it possible for owners of their cameras, to send them in to be retrofitted with DSLR innards.

3: Feeling stupid, because the instruction are printed for someone that can read and follow instructions. I cannot, I am a visual learner, I learn by watching, and by doing. My camera has charts and graphs and histograms??????
I would just like to not feel so stupid, and be able to create those great pictures that I did with my film cameras.

4: Using this Nikon DSLR it almost like a chore, the ASA is off the wall, and I try to think what can this camera do for me, I know there are great possibilities, but 1/2 the time, I cannot find the right setting is in in Wrenches, or the Camera body?

5: I believe if a camera company, made the adjustments, that I have stated, being able to mimic film, by choosing the type of film in a menu, VPS, Tri-X, Kodacolor, Fuji 200, etc. I think that would go a long way to help older film camera users be able to accomplish getting the most out of their cameras.
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the sa... (show quote)


This is not DSLR but film vs digital. With film I could have a Canon TLb and a Canon F-1 and take the identical quality of photo with the same 50mm f1.4 lens and Kodachrome 64. Today I have to spend 4-6K to get the better sensor "film" than with my Rebel. Then even that 4-6K sensor is obsolete in a year. My TLb was upgradable every time new or better film came out without having to purchase a whole new camera. That is the sad part but part of planned obsolescence. It would be interesting to see how many cameras sold are just upgrades to the same people over and over and how many actually go to expanding users of cameras.

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Mar 4, 2018 06:20:46   #
Al Freeedman
 
I agree with you. The best thing about DSLR is that you can see the results of what you've taken
immediately. Couldn't do that with film.

Captain Al

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Mar 4, 2018 06:30:44   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Why gripe? Enjoy the flexibility and control you get with digital, in some cases impossible with film....and you see the results instantly...and you can still shoot film while it's still around for the next 10 years perhaps. You can get film cameras and lenses on the cheap on ebay and other exchanges...

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Mar 4, 2018 06:43:15   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
therwol wrote:
Aren't we supposed to be helping each other on this forum? Smart ass comments are not helpful to anyone, nor is it helpful to just dismiss someone's genuine concerns over mastering newer technology.


This forum is, in some ways, a microcosm of social life. When people encounter one another they sometimes choose to be patient and indulgent of laziness and stupidity, and other times choose to give it short shrift. It's all good.

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Mar 4, 2018 06:55:14   #
Thrawn John Loc: Scotland
 
What the OP (or any of us) would love to have and what the camera mafufacturers "should" do are two entirely different things.
The shareholders would run the board out of town for wasting that kind of money offering such niche adjustments (if they ever became technically possible.)
But in the meantime, there's always http://www.dxo.com/us/photography/photo-software/dxo-filmpack

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Mar 4, 2018 06:55:47   #
ToBoldlyGo Loc: London U.K.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
This is not DSLR but film vs digital. With film I could have a Canon TLb and a Canon F-1 and take the identical quality of photo with the same 50mm f1.4 lens and Kodachrome 64. Today I have to spend 4-6K to get the better sensor "film" than with my Rebel. Then even that 4-6K sensor is obsolete in a year. My TLb was upgradable every time new or better film came out without having to purchase a whole new camera. That is the sad part but part of planned obsolescence. It would be interesting to see how many cameras sold are just upgrades to the same people over and over and how many actually go to expanding users of cameras.
This is not DSLR but film vs digital. With film I ... (show quote)



Bear in mind that film is expensive. Developing is expensive, and I'd have to join a club to develop film. I can take photos whenever I like and not worry that I can't currently afford to develop them. There is also huge amounts of chemical waste in film. I'm not saying there is less in digital. Obsolete digital cameras are extremely wasteful too. Additionally, not many people will buy a new 4-6k camera at every upgrade cycle, and many who do will sell the camera to get back some of their investment.

I've always had an interest in photography, but it was only when the advantages of digital came in that I got into it. When I found out I could take limitless photos and see them straight away, and not have to be disappointed when the photos I'd paid to have processed came back much worse than I'd hoped. Film was scary and frankly, expensive.

I would suggest you may actually have the wrong camera. The higher up in the lineup, the more dials and buttons you have to make adjustments on the fly as you need to, rather than having to delve into menus.

Enjoy learning digital. It's a lot of fun.

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Mar 4, 2018 07:02:26   #
edwdickinson Loc: Ardmore PA
 
There are plugins for Lightroom which simulate numerous popular film types, not the same, but better than nothing.

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Mar 4, 2018 07:09:00   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
abstractist72 wrote:
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the same way I do.

I started taking photographs 57 years ago with a Zeiss Ikon rangefinder 35 mm film camera.

I developed my own film and printed black and white photos for around 15 years, having moved to a few better cameras in the process.

1st upgrade was a Honeywell Pentax SLR with 35 mm, 55 mm and 135 mm lenses.

Later to a Nikon FM2 with 28 mm, 55 mm, 135 mm, and 200 mm.

Using every conceivable type of film possible.

I did portraiture, weddings, anniversary parties, Nature, you name it I just about photographed it.

This was all a hobby for me, I was only a professionally employed photographer for about 2 months, long story (won't go into that).

My GRIPE is what the camera companies did and did not do, and there missed opportunities when they developed DSLR cameras.

Now I would like to say, my camera bag had many varieties of film always ready for any occasion.

And when I would compose and shoot the image, I stopped using a light meter many years ago, as I was as accurate as my Lunapro would say for a certain scene.

Retired, I was given a DSLR 35 mm size Nikon for a Christmas present, with 2 lenses. It was a bundle.

So here are some GRIPES:

1: After so many years of shooting film, I knew which film to grab for what occasion, and what ASA would work the best for that situation. DSLR camera makers should have given the owners of these cameras, a set of film types, to choose from, and the camera would mimic the results of those types of film. So If I wanted to use a Fuj1 400, I could choose that in a menu, and the camera would act as if I had Fuji 400 in the camera.

2: I have a lot of very good camera equipment, that is now like the old toys in Toy Story, that FM2 is a wonderful camera, and Nikon should have made it possible for owners of their cameras, to send them in to be retrofitted with DSLR innards.

3: Feeling stupid, because the instruction are printed for someone that can read and follow instructions. I cannot, I am a visual learner, I learn by watching, and by doing. My camera has charts and graphs and histograms??????
I would just like to not feel so stupid, and be able to create those great pictures that I did with my film cameras.

4: Using this Nikon DSLR it almost like a chore, the ASA is off the wall, and I try to think what can this camera do for me, I know there are great possibilities, but 1/2 the time, I cannot find the right setting is in in Wrenches, or the Camera body?

5: I believe if a camera company, made the adjustments, that I have stated, being able to mimic film, by choosing the type of film in a menu, VPS, Tri-X, Kodacolor, Fuji 200, etc. I think that would go a long way to help older film camera users be able to accomplish getting the most out of their cameras.
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the sa... (show quote)


Not all people start with film and half the things you want would not be of value. Thanks to SLRs in general, who the heck wants to still think is asa. ISO is damn trivial and with the new sensors, one can damn near get a high quality photo in the dark. Sorry but you want the camera industry to make it all about you. There are literally thousands of videos on youtube if you are a visual person.

You are going to putr on your big boy pants to go with the flow. I played in film also but give me digital. I'd hate to hear you views in cars. :)

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Mar 4, 2018 07:33:25   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
Take up golf, it will compliment your frustration...

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Mar 4, 2018 07:34:35   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
I started taking photos 45years ago and my biggest gripe is they didn't invent DSLRs earlier!!!! Whenever I travelled I used to take 10 films of 36 each...quite expensive in those days. Then there was the cost of development. I was lucky if I got 10 decent pictures. Now with DSLR I can take as many pictures as I want (5K + during my latest holiday) and can view the pictures straightaway so can delete as I go along. I now wish they invent a "talking camera" to let me know what I've done wrong and suggest settings so I can get the perfect picture...just enjoy your DSLR. I bought the Dummy book and watch lots of YouTube videos...good luck
abstractist72 wrote:
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the same way I do.

I started taking photographs 57 years ago with a Zeiss Ikon rangefinder 35 mm film camera.

I developed my own film and printed black and white photos for around 15 years, having moved to a few better cameras in the process.

1st upgrade was a Honeywell Pentax SLR with 35 mm, 55 mm and 135 mm lenses.

Later to a Nikon FM2 with 28 mm, 55 mm, 135 mm, and 200 mm.

Using every conceivable type of film possible.

I did portraiture, weddings, anniversary parties, Nature, you name it I just about photographed it.

This was all a hobby for me, I was only a professionally employed photographer for about 2 months, long story (won't go into that).

My GRIPE is what the camera companies did and did not do, and there missed opportunities when they developed DSLR cameras.

Now I would like to say, my camera bag had many varieties of film always ready for any occasion.

And when I would compose and shoot the image, I stopped using a light meter many years ago, as I was as accurate as my Lunapro would say for a certain scene.

Retired, I was given a DSLR 35 mm size Nikon for a Christmas present, with 2 lenses. It was a bundle.

So here are some GRIPES:

1: After so many years of shooting film, I knew which film to grab for what occasion, and what ASA would work the best for that situation. DSLR camera makers should have given the owners of these cameras, a set of film types, to choose from, and the camera would mimic the results of those types of film. So If I wanted to use a Fuj1 400, I could choose that in a menu, and the camera would act as if I had Fuji 400 in the camera.

2: I have a lot of very good camera equipment, that is now like the old toys in Toy Story, that FM2 is a wonderful camera, and Nikon should have made it possible for owners of their cameras, to send them in to be retrofitted with DSLR innards.

3: Feeling stupid, because the instruction are printed for someone that can read and follow instructions. I cannot, I am a visual learner, I learn by watching, and by doing. My camera has charts and graphs and histograms??????
I would just like to not feel so stupid, and be able to create those great pictures that I did with my film cameras.

4: Using this Nikon DSLR it almost like a chore, the ASA is off the wall, and I try to think what can this camera do for me, I know there are great possibilities, but 1/2 the time, I cannot find the right setting is in in Wrenches, or the Camera body?

5: I believe if a camera company, made the adjustments, that I have stated, being able to mimic film, by choosing the type of film in a menu, VPS, Tri-X, Kodacolor, Fuji 200, etc. I think that would go a long way to help older film camera users be able to accomplish getting the most out of their cameras.
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the sa... (show quote)

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Mar 4, 2018 07:35:20   #
Stephan G
 
abstractist72 wrote:
Feel free to add to this GRIPE, if you feel the same way I do.



...

267. The illogical "advancements" emulating the old automobiles and other large ticket products' planned obsolescence practices, just to keep the GAS at a level to keep their net profits going.

268. The "modern" photographers echoing the GAS mantras and denigrating the actual Art of photography. (See some of the comments in this thread.)

...

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Mar 4, 2018 07:37:18   #
Thrawn John Loc: Scotland
 
What's "GAS"?

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Mar 4, 2018 07:41:48   #
Shutterbug57
 
Architect1776 wrote:
This is not DSLR but film vs digital. With film I could have a Canon TLb and a Canon F-1 and take the identical quality of photo with the same 50mm f1.4 lens and Kodachrome 64. Today I have to spend 4-6K to get the better sensor "film" than with my Rebel. Then even that 4-6K sensor is obsolete in a year. My TLb was upgradable every time new or better film came out without having to purchase a whole new camera. That is the sad part but part of planned obsolescence. It would be interesting to see how many cameras sold are just upgrades to the same people over and over and how many actually go to expanding users of cameras.
This is not DSLR but film vs digital. With film I ... (show quote)


Bingo! I have 3 DSLRs. I started with the D70s (6mp), then a couple years later moved to the D200 (10mp) for the ability to crop a bit more, then about 11 years later I got a D500 (20mp) for the better ISO performance. I also still shoot a N90s (~25+ years old) & Mamiya M645 (44 years old).

The D70s, paired with an old Tamron 28-75/2.8 pulls training duty for grandkids. The D200 pulls back-up/second camera duty and the D500 is my primary digital body. The film bodies continue to work just fine, although color film processing is a bit pricey these days so I shoot mostly B&W and do my own processing.

I suspect we are seeing the beginning of the “Pentium” day’s of DSLRs. Remember when PCs were new and you needed a new one every year or two just to run current software? Once the processors got good enough, about the time the Pentiums came out, your computer would last much longer. My D70s did not allow significant cropping, so more megapixels were the answer. My D200 had enough megapixels, but sucked in low light, the D500 answers that issue. There is not much I want a DSLR to do that the D500 won’t do well, so it will probably last for years if it is not the last DSLR I buy unless I wear it out.

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Mar 4, 2018 07:44:40   #
MTG44 Loc: Corryton, Tennessee
 
I found it much easier to use digital than film.

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