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Dec 7, 2017 17:06:28   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
Pegasus wrote:
Your post is what is known as a target-rich environment. I suspect you did not read my earlier diatribe about Chamberlain and Hitler at Munich. I won't repeat it here, scroll back up.

The US was not really in convoys prior to our entry into the war 76 years ago this week. The Royal Canadian Navy was protecting the Canadian Merchant marine and any other allied ship in convoys from North America to Britain. The US sold (loaned) 50 obsolescent destroyers to Britain and Canada got something like 17 of them which were added to the escort duty. In return for that sale (loan) the US got bases in Newfoundland, Bermuda and other places and was able to extend its Neutrality Zone and support its Neutrality Patrol. We were not involved in protecting convoys coming from Canada past Newfoundland, that was all RCN, RCAF, RN and RAF until about September 1941. The first US ship sunk by a U-boat was the USS Reuben James on October 31, 1941.

Anyway, you might want to read about the Battle of the Atlantic and specifically about Operation Drumbeat and how the US focus on Japan allowed Germany to sing ships up and down the East Coast months after Pearl Harbor.

I should point out that the attack on Pearl Harbor was designed to essentially neutralize the US as a force in the western Pacific, and it did just that. We were not ready for war with Japan and we could not hit back for quite a while, which is why Doolittle's raid was such a morale booster. It took time to build new ships and new and better aircraft. The lines of communication and supplies were VERY long across the Pacific and the US presence was all controlled by Pearl Harbor which was in disarray for a while.
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From New York, or a corresponding Canadian port, convoys sailed every day of the week. At a given moment there were always 100 or more ships crossing the Atlantic from west to east, and a similar number returning. Each convoy was timed as exactly as an express train, each ran on a different route, and each was scheduled to arrive on time at a fixed but changeable “rendezvous” some 200 miles to the west of Ireland. There it was met by a destroyer escort which took it through the more dangerous home waters until, approaching their destination, ships were dispersed to their respective unloading ports. If it were not for the US, England would be speaking German. By its self, it lacked the means or ability to defend its self. Surely not the ability to defeat Germany. Bye Bye

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Dec 7, 2017 17:29:31   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
d3200prime wrote:
Maybe that's because we haven't been in another war with a nation capable of destroying one of our aircraft carriers, ya think?


Maybe that's why they call it peace through power, ya think? The one's that have the power know better than to try us.

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Dec 7, 2017 17:36:45   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
Yankeepapa6 wrote:
From New York, or a corresponding Canadian port, convoys sailed every day of the week. At a given moment there were always 100 or more ships crossing the Atlantic from west to east, and a similar number returning. Each convoy was timed as exactly as an express train, each ran on a different route, and each was scheduled to arrive on time at a fixed but changeable “rendezvous” some 200 miles to the west of Ireland. There it was met by a destroyer escort which took it through the more dangerous home waters until, approaching their destination, ships were dispersed to their respective unloading ports. If it were not for the US, England would be speaking German. By its self, it lacked the means or ability to defend its self. Surely not the ability to defeat Germany. Bye Bye
From New York, or a corresponding Canadian port, c... (show quote)


Yeah, unfortunately most of what you wrote about the convoy system is all wrong. (Still trying to wrap my head around the "fixed but changeable" concept.

It is very possible that Britain would have fallen without US help in material and supplies. And I totally agree that it would never have been able to defeat Germany without the US.

Also, I get the impression that English is not your primary language, certainly the egregious spelling mistakes seem to indicate that.

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Dec 7, 2017 17:43:23   #
APB Loc: UK
 
The carriers won't have aircraft for at least 2 years yet!

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Dec 7, 2017 18:48:48   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
Pegasus wrote:
Should we care about what the post-Castro Cubans allegedly complain?

As for your last assertion, I would guess that depends on at whom it was aimed. You might want to buttress your argument by telling us why you think you know more of the United States that your target.






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Dec 7, 2017 19:18:52   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
Pegasus wrote:
Yeah, unfortunately most of what you wrote about the convoy system is all wrong. (Still trying to wrap my head around the "fixed but changeable" concept.

It is very possible that Britain would have fallen without US help in material and supplies. And I totally agree that it would never have been able to defeat Germany without thenon US.

Also, I get the impression that English is not your primary language, certainly the egregious spelling mistakes seem to indicate that.
Yeah, unfortunately most of what you wrote about t... (show quote)


'Very possible that Britain would have fallen without US help" WHAT???!!! Oh, sorry, I forgot you had the French to bail out your sorry asses. Ok, A Hole after the word "unfortunately" you did not know there should be a comma. Also "very possible" The word possible is a non-gradable and does not require a qualifier. You inserted a qualifier; "very" your mistake. Oh, you wrote, "thenon" ???? What is that? The sad thing is you are a fool and English IS your primary language. Look in the mirror and gaze upon a pompous ass. See, you really don't know what you are talking about, do you?

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Dec 7, 2017 19:28:57   #
Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast
 
Yankeepapa6 wrote:
'Very possible that Britain would have fallen without US help" WHAT???!!! Oh, sorry, I forgot you had the French to bail out your sorry asses. Ok, A Hole after the word "unfortunately" you did not know there should be a comma. Also "very possible" The word possible is a non-gradable and does not require a qualifier. You inserted a qualifier; "very" your mistake. Oh, you wrote, "thenon" ???? What is that? The sad thing is you are a fool and English IS your primary language. Look in the mirror and gaze upon a pompous ass. See, you really don't know what you are talking about.
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"its self." Twice, so it's not a typo.

And I guess you're deformed, how else would you be able to "look in the mirror and gaze on your ass?"

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Dec 7, 2017 19:42:33   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
Pegasus wrote:
"its self." Twice, so it's not a typo.

And I guess you're deformed, how else would you be able to "look in the mirror and gaze on your ass?"


Really!!! That's your best shot?? Give up dear boy, give up. Cheerio.

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Dec 7, 2017 20:45:34   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
I wonder did the Wright Brothers know, when they took their test bi-plane on that test run in North Carolina in 1903, that it would advance to the degree, that it would save the USA from being conquered. Yes, an Aircraft Carrier can be sunk by missiles. Or by enemy submarines. If that happens, you will see retaliation just as we did when the Japanese Navy Pilots Bombed Pearl Harbor. In the Battle of Midway, the US lost one Carrier. The Yorktown. It was almost saved. But the Japanese finished it. The Japanese lost 4 Aircraft Carriers that same day. Repeat, 4 Japanese Carriers sunk in one day. No other Navy has that Carrier destruction record. Caution. Do not mess with America's Aircraft Carriers. You will pay dearly, if one is ever sunk. Guess what. Today is Pearl Harbor Day. What a coincidence.

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Dec 7, 2017 21:23:24   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
ole sarg wrote:
Protect our (US) boarders. You mean like from the millions who entered including the Coward In Chief's ancestors who were immigrants? The US is a nation of immigrants and should remain one. Biggest complaint among the Cuban population who arrived after Castro is that the grandkids don't speak Spanish!

You know nothing of the United States!

You do not know what you’re talking about .
We are a nation of laws .
Illegal immigration is not immigration .
I suppose you believe in sanctuary cities ?
How old are you ?
I know nothing of the United States ?
I wore the uniform , did you ?
You Leftists make me sick .
Your ideology is a slap in the face by everyone who played by the rules .

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Dec 7, 2017 21:27:02   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
viscountdriver wrote:
Bit pessimistic though with some truth. Incidentally,I am a veteran and fought in the war and I have no complaints about my treatment.I am a member of the British Legion and the RAFA and Both organisations a are there to help if I needed it as is the RAF Benevolent fund. The government has helped. I know of no shops leased to thevFrench

You sir flew with the RAF in WW2 ?

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Dec 8, 2017 01:49:26   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
machia wrote:
You do not know what you’re talking about .
We are a nation of laws .
Illegal immigration is not immigration .
I suppose you believe in sanctuary cities ?
How old are you ?
I know nothing of the United States ?
I wore the uniform , did you ?
You Leftists make me sick .
Your ideology is a slap in the face by everyone who played by the rules .







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Dec 8, 2017 03:13:18   #
oregon don
 
mas24 wrote:
The two newest Aircraft Carriers are the American USS Gerald R. Ford, and the UK HMS Queen Elizabeth. The most costly and advanced of today's Carriers. Aircraft Carriers are the most protected Vessels. At least in the US Navy. A US Navy Aircraft Carrier, has not been sunk by enemy fire since WW2. That's over 72 years ago.


I have a problem naming a carrier af ex pres Ford. HE WAS NEVER ELECTED VICE PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT.

After his first time as president he lost the next election. mostly because he bailed Nixon out!

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Dec 8, 2017 04:28:17   #
viscountdriver Loc: East Kent UK
 
Yankeepapa6 wrote:
From New York, or a corresponding Canadian port, convoys sailed every day of the week. At a given moment there were always 100 or more ships crossing the Atlantic from west to east, and a similar number returning. Each convoy was timed as exactly as an express train, each ran on a different route, and each was scheduled to arrive on time at a fixed but changeable “rendezvous” some 200 miles to the west of Ireland. There it was met by a destroyer escort which took it through the more dangerous home waters until, approaching their destination, ships were dispersed to their respective unloading ports. If it were not for the US, England would be speaking German. By its self, it lacked the means or ability to defend its self. Surely not the ability to defeat Germany. Bye Bye
From New York, or a corresponding Canadian port, c... (show quote)


What a load of hogwash.Whilst your country was selling goods we fought off the Germans.We, then were not alone.In those days we had an empire bigger than the US. If we had not defeated Germany in the Battle of Britain, as big as you are you would not have been able to fight off Japan,Germany,Rumania and Italy.You only came in because Germany declared war on you.I do not want to run down the US a country I admire enormously and where I have spent a lot of time but some of you seem full of hate for Britain.

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Dec 8, 2017 04:42:12   #
viscountdriver Loc: East Kent UK
 
Yankeepapa6 wrote:
Yeah. You are a real hero. Hitler used Chamberlain for his blow up doll. "Try and fight" is a good description. It did not amount to much. Too bad the British didn't have the balls to stand up to him. Instead, they allowed him to outmaneuver and control them. If Chamberlain had the balls to defend the UK's alliance with Czechoslovakia it might have been different. Instead the British threw in the towel. At that point, Hitler knew they were ballless. Before the US entered the war there were convoys to the UK from the US in violation of our neutrality. Did you really think the UK had the means to support itself with the Germans in so much in control of the seas? When Japan attacked Hawaii did massive amounts of war supplies and personnel head to the Pacific. No. It went to the UK. The Americans in the Pacific did not get the aid and support they should have. There was a tremendous loss of American lives. The initial bulk of American aid and war materials went to that little island next to Ireland.
Hero's you are not
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This is a load of crap.The Royal Navy was bigger than the US navy especially after the Japs sunk a good part of it.You sat back and watched us fight for freedom and just sold us goods. I am a very old man who fought to save your skins.I watched as friend after friend died in horrible circumstances. I saw a close friend who had his face burned off.You woud not have come into he war if Germany had not declared war on you.I am sorry to have to write such things but I cannot sit back and hear such perverted truths. Incidentally, both radar and the atom bomb were British inventions and the atom bomb saved countless US lives.

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