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Nov 4, 2017 09:07:20   #
oceanarrow
 
SS319 wrote:
I reject reality!

We applaud Artists whose vision escapes reality and allows them to re-create on canvas what they see in their mind's eye, so why should we limit our photography to accurate reproductions of reality. Do you remember sitting on the shores of Lake Michigan watching a sunset with that favorite girl when you were a teenager? Carefully consider that image in your mind - were those grey clouds with a tinge of red orange and blue above a lake of grey-blue water, or do those colors burn with the flames of your romance and your thoughts of that night.

When we do a still life of a bowl of fruit, will we settle for that weak orange color of a Valencia orange, the thin red and green color of an apple, or do we saturate those images to increase the saliva flows and the desire to reach into that photograph and grab that fruit.

Study the B&W photographs of the depression and dust bowl eras, study how the photographers added noise and contrast to their images to convey the ultimate hardship of these people's condition. Should we not use saturation the same way.

My goal is never to reproduce reality, but to induce emotions, and saturation is but one tool available to produce that image.
I reject reality! br br We applaud Artists whose ... (show quote)

I agree.Kodachrome was my choice for a reason.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:09:37   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
SS319 wrote:
I reject reality!

We applaud Artists whose vision escapes reality and allows them to re-create on canvas what they see in their mind's eye, so why should we limit our photography to accurate reproductions of reality. Do you remember sitting on the shores of Lake Michigan watching a sunset with that favorite girl when you were a teenager? Carefully consider that image in your mind - were those grey clouds with a tinge of red orange and blue above a lake of grey-blue water, or do those colors burn with the flames of your romance and your thoughts of that night.

When we do a still life of a bowl of fruit, will we settle for that weak orange color of a Valencia orange, the thin red and green color of an apple, or do we saturate those images to increase the saliva flows and the desire to reach into that photograph and grab that fruit.

Study the B&W photographs of the depression and dust bowl eras, study how the photographers added noise and contrast to their images to convey the ultimate hardship of these people's condition. Should we not use saturation the same way.

My goal is never to reproduce reality, but to induce emotions, and saturation is but one tool available to produce that image.
I reject reality! br br We applaud Artists whose ... (show quote)

I agree! Well said.


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Nov 4, 2017 09:11:17   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
SS319 wrote:
I reject reality!

We applaud Artists whose vision escapes reality and allows them to re-create on canvas what they see in their mind's eye, so why should we limit our photography to accurate reproductions of reality. Do you remember sitting on the shores of Lake Michigan watching a sunset with that favorite girl when you were a teenager? Carefully consider that image in your mind - were those grey clouds with a tinge of red orange and blue above a lake of grey-blue water, or do those colors burn with the flames of your romance and your thoughts of that night.

When we do a still life of a bowl of fruit, will we settle for that weak orange color of a Valencia orange, the thin red and green color of an apple, or do we saturate those images to increase the saliva flows and the desire to reach into that photograph and grab that fruit.

Study the B&W photographs of the depression and dust bowl eras, study how the photographers added noise and contrast to their images to convey the ultimate hardship of these people's condition. Should we not use saturation the same way.

My goal is never to reproduce reality, but to induce emotions, and saturation is but one tool available to produce that image.
I reject reality! br br We applaud Artists whose ... (show quote)


I agree with you. There's a place for reality and there's a place for enhancement of colors.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:14:33   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
What's reality?
Does a B&W image reflect reality?
To me it is an artistic decision.


We all learned in Psych 101 that reality is in the eye of the beholder.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:16:35   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Hank Radt wrote:
OK, I'll bite. Here are two versions from a sunset I've been playing around with - the levels are in Capture One; not sure what they would be in Adobe. Please let me know which you like better.


Well, on this case "0" Saturation.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:17:23   #
SS319
 
Grnway wrote:
One only has to look at Van Gogh's "Starry Night."


I was actually thinking Van Gogh when I responded, although, the image I had was of his "Wheatfield with Crows"

Of course, at the other end of the spectrum, over saturation can result in "Elvis on Velvet" just as easily.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:18:27   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Hank Radt wrote:
Thanks, and to toxdoc42 also. Normally, I don't go for 100 saturation, but wanted to push the limit for the purposes of this discussion. Here's the same shot at 25 saturation, to get a bit more vibrance - would welcome your thoughts on this vs. the first. Still too much? Not enough? Thanks!


Yeah, still too much.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:22:02   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
SS319 wrote:
I reject reality!

We applaud Artists whose vision escapes reality and allows them to re-create on canvas what they see in their mind's eye, so why should we limit our photography to accurate reproductions of reality. Do you remember sitting on the shores of Lake Michigan watching a sunset with that favorite girl when you were a teenager? Carefully consider that image in your mind - were those grey clouds with a tinge of red orange and blue above a lake of grey-blue water, or do those colors burn with the flames of your romance and your thoughts of that night.

When we do a still life of a bowl of fruit, will we settle for that weak orange color of a Valencia orange, the thin red and green color of an apple, or do we saturate those images to increase the saliva flows and the desire to reach into that photograph and grab that fruit.

Study the B&W photographs of the depression and dust bowl eras, study how the photographers added noise and contrast to their images to convey the ultimate hardship of these people's condition. Should we not use saturation the same way.

My goal is never to reproduce reality, but to induce emotions, and saturation is but one tool available to produce that image.
I reject reality! br br We applaud Artists whose ... (show quote)

It is extremely difficult to reject "reality" in a photograph. There is no reality in a photograph!

A photograph is a single slice of time that is a two dimensional representation of a three dimensional object in time. The objects pictured in a photograph are not reality, they are a visual abstraction.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:28:18   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
"If you can't say what you need to say in a photograph without heaping layers of software or resorting to the latest trends in post processing, you're probably not saying much of anything."

-C.J. Chilvers

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Nov 4, 2017 09:36:56   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Wow is that deep, it is almost as deep as your future self is actually viewing you as you exist now.

Apaflo wrote:
It is extremely difficult to reject "reality" in a photograph. There is no reality in a photograph!

A photograph is a single slice of time that is a two dimensional representation of a three dimensional object in time. The objects pictured in a photograph are not reality, they are a visual abstraction.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:39:28   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
SS319 wrote:
I reject reality!



Even with black & white the best photos have been manipulated to reflect the vision of the photographer. Saturation can be a powerful tool. It can also be a misused crutch but, dismissing it out of hand because it isn't 'natural' will limit a photographer's range of expression.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:46:28   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
A technically accurate photo is not necessarily a work of art and visa versa. Artistic vision speaks to the emotions on an intuitive level. At least that's my theory. Technical manipulation in PP can enhance the emotional experience but the initial artistic content comes from artistic vision before the shot.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:50:35   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Grnway wrote:
Well said, SS319! While I don't use saturation too much, I think it's a great tool available in the photographer's quiver.

If you're trying to evoke an emotion, colors do that very well. One only has to look at Van Gogh's "Starry Night." The intensity of colors in that painting is something we know that didn't actually occur in that night sky, but it's what was in Van Gogh's (troubled?) mind that he conveyed to the viewer. I had the good fortune to visit the Museum of Modern Art, in NYC. Matisse, Van Gogh, and others used "over-saturation" incredibly effectively! Even though Picasso's "Three Musicians" was on an adjacent wall, "Starry Night" drew viewers to it like moths to a flame. Of course, many wanted to just take a snapshot of it, but many others, myself included, just stared at it, getting lost in the emotion of the scene. Incredibly effective use of "over-saturation", in my opinion.
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Wasn't Van Gogh "over-saturated" when he painted that?

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Nov 4, 2017 09:51:40   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Kiron Kid wrote:
"If you can't say what you need to say in a photograph without heaping layers of software or resorting to the latest trends in post processing, you're probably not saying much of anything."

-C.J. Chilvers

More likely it means you are just far more competent than Mr. C. J. Chilvers, and have more to say that is valid and/or complex.

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Nov 4, 2017 09:56:35   #
Cletus Loc: Mongolia
 
It is not about a "proper way" to use saturation. The "correct" level of saturation is the one that you prefer.

Yes: A heavily saturated photo does not look "natural." Fact is, NO photo has ever looked "natural." What they all look like is photos. Artificial chemical or electronic constructs that, inevitably, reflect the tastes and preferences of the person who made them or processed them.

I use (often, but not always) more saturation than you may prefer. Because I like it that way. You use whatever level YOU prefer. We're not making rubber stamps here, kids.

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