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Oct 19, 2017 13:20:02   #
Quantus5
 
Todd is right -- you have a choice -- if you do not like the Adobe's subscription model -- don't buy Adobe.

We have a choice -- vote with your feet.

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Oct 19, 2017 13:21:26   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
HOHIMER wrote:
It looks like the trend is moving toward Subscription Software (Ransomware) . I predict, in a few years, most top level application software and all Operating Systems will be via subscription only.
The companies are going this route because it is to their advantage to do so. It gives them a solid base of almost guarantied cash flow from which to work without the need for new sales. It also gives them much greater control over the use of their software by the consumer.

Here is what I don’t like about the ‘Ransomware’ business model as a consumer.
It forces me to accept possible unwanted updates and changes to the way the program looks and feels. This means I will always be behind the learning curve or a feature I like might be removed against my wishes.
It costs me each month, weather I use the software or not.
As a very light user(once every few months), I am forced to subsidies the mega-user who uses the program every day, all day long. (My computer has a good number of programs I have used only once in several years and some I will use only if required, due to a problem.)
It tends to lock me in to using only that software and therefore subjects me to creeping increases to the monthly rate; and other whims and abuses by the provider, over which I have no control.
In the long-run, cost/use will be higher for me; especially if it sets on my computer for a long time.
It looks like the trend is moving toward Subscript... (show quote)


The Adobe CC suites are aimed at businesses and heavy users. It sounds like you are not a good candidate for Adobe software. Look for something else.

All of the major apps work at least somewhat similarly... it only takes a few hours to get familiar with the environment if you are skilled at something similar.

Calling it ‘ransomeware’ ignores TRUE ransomeware, the malware that encrypts your computer until you pay a hefty ransome! It is hardly that.

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Oct 19, 2017 13:23:02   #
Haydon
 
Quantus5 wrote:
Todd is right -- you have a choice -- if you do not like the Adobe's subscription model -- don't buy Adobe.

We have a choice -- vote with your feet.


I'm voting by keeping my wallet closed :)

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Oct 19, 2017 13:26:51   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I get it fine... Apple is rolling in cash and charging $1000 for the iPhone X... is that also bad in your mind.
Unless you have been in the software business you don't know what you are even talking about. At $10 a month it probably takes two thousand subscribers to pay for one software engineer and associated overhead for a year. People are not willing to pay the price of a couple Happy Meals to use these tools each month...WOW...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

whitewolfowner wrote:
You still don't get it, do you. I don't remember the figures but Adobe is rolling in cash with unbelievable amounts, so don't be whining about what it takes to develop software. They did fine for how many years before they started extorting.

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Oct 19, 2017 13:28:54   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Haydon,

You get it and are exactly right... each should act in their own self interest...
No one is being forced to do or use anything...
Having been in the software business in the past I think it is a bargain...
Others may or may not...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

Haydon wrote:
I'm voting by keeping my wallet closed :)

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Oct 19, 2017 13:32:53   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Glad I purchased the stand alone LR6 when I did.

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Oct 19, 2017 13:39:23   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I believe that IBM bought Lotus as we had to use that stuff when I worked at IBM years ago... But that is what happens companies get bought up if anything of value is left or to eliminate them all together, or they die and go away. Apple at one time was looking at purchasing Adobe and got into a bunch of issues over PDF files with Adobe. Apple ended up developing their own PDF tools...

Best,
Todd

Haydon wrote:
Todd in all due respect Lotus got eaten by MS a bigger more powerful company.

I do agree we all have a choice to buy their software or not just as we have a choice to complain when we aren't happy. I already know what I'm doing. I will just convert my files to dng and use my version of 6 but CaptureOne is looking better to me all the time. That's my choice ;)

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Oct 19, 2017 13:44:09   #
Haydon
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I believe that IBM bought Lotus as we had to use that stuff when I worked at IBM years ago... But that is what happens companies get bought up if anything of value is left or to eliminate them all together, or they die and go away. Apple at one time was looking at purchasing Adobe and got into a bunch of issues over PDF files with Adobe. Apple ended up developing their own PDF tools...

Best,
Todd


I still have Lotus Organizer 6 from IBM. I'm not doubting the purchase, I am saying the monopoly finished them off much like the demise of Corel's Word Perfect which is virtually invisible now. You probably have a better insight in that matter since you were employed by IBM. I respect that btw.

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Oct 19, 2017 13:45:16   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Blood sucking? Isn't that a bit extreme? What else do you willingly spend $10/month on without complaining about blood sucking? The Happy Meal @ McD's? A coffee and doughnut at a diner?
A Latte @ Starbucks?

Bottom line is, Lightroom is the gold standard for photo editing. Everything else is just a less capable copy.


Blood sucking is good description. If you use Lightroom only (like I do) that means you are buying a new license every 7 months (upgrade price for 6 for $70. $70/$10=7) which is absurd. They need to have a Lightroom only SaaS license at about $5/month. I will not pay for PS when I am not using. This is exactly why I've spent months looking at other solutions like On1 Raw, etc.

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Oct 19, 2017 13:53:18   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
insaneo wrote:
Also adobe discontinued updates so I'm stuck with what I have. This keeps me from buying another camera because I really like adobe camera raw but it's not supported using cs4.


What about using the free Adobe DNG convertor?

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Oct 19, 2017 14:07:33   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
burkphoto wrote:
The Adobe CC suites are aimed at businesses and heavy users. It sounds like you are not a good candidate for Adobe software. Look for something else.



I believe the CC Suites like everything else is aimed at as many people who will plunk down $$$. If their customer base for Photoshop CC was reduced to people who really benefit from what it can do, it would be a small fraction of what it is today. They really would not have needed to go to a monthly payment plan otherwise.

They do still offer PS Elements which can handle just about anything the casual photographer needs.

That said, the primary goal of a publicly held company is to maximize shareholder wealth. Adobe seems to be doing a good job.

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Oct 19, 2017 14:14:33   #
Quantus5
 
Haydon wrote:
I'm voting by keeping my wallet closed :)


Cool! Yes -- another good voting method.

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Oct 19, 2017 14:20:39   #
Pgphoto Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
all adobe did was give photographers another option to either store your pictures locally or on their cloud service. I have used Lightroom since it came out and am very comfortable with my own storage workflow but I can see some people liking the new Lighroom CC. They kept the price the same for the new classic CC and if goes up in a couple of years so be it what doesn't go up. The product is still cheap for what you get

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Oct 19, 2017 14:26:11   #
Pgphoto Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
I use Affinity Photo and it was designed to be a photoshop replacement and as time goes on and becomes more refined most photographers could see it as a cheaper alternative. Lightroom is an entirely different program

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Oct 19, 2017 14:27:16   #
whitewolfowner
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I get it fine... Apple is rolling in cash and charging $1000 for the iPhone X... is that also bad in your mind.
Unless you have been in the software business you don't know what you are even talking about. At $10 a month it probably takes two thousand subscribers to pay for one software engineer and associated overhead for a year. People are not willing to pay the price of a couple Happy Meals to use these tools each month...WOW...

Best,
Todd Ferguson



You still don't get it. You see $10 to some, and probably not you since you have the attitude you do, is a lot of money, while to others it's not even pocket change. Those of us that are on budgets and trying to be creative cannot afford the extortion, which is what this is when the companies wallets are now more like what fort Knox used to be. There is such a thing as a fair profit and then there is just out right robbery. Adobe is abusing the fact that people need their software in order to use their photo equipment to make a living and that is just out right immoral. OK, all you millionaires that have lost the value of a dollar, go ahead and trash me, it's nothing you haven't done in the past. Perhaps, those that think that the $10 a month is nothing, they could put in another nothing into a fund for those who can't afford it; wouldn't that be the democratic way of things. Now that statement should win me over some libertards.

Bottom line is that Adobe did fine as company before the extortion stunt, but I predict their greed is going to be their down fall. And the number of pissed off people here only proves that point. I predicted years ago Nascar would shoot themselves in the foot (when they started showing the races on pay TV channels and not free TV, where the majority of their fan base comes from); now they can barely fill half the stands even at their great races; the NFL is doing it to themselves right now (I said it would happen shortly after that piece of increment in San Francisco started his stunt last year); now they are having trouble filling stands and will fall if they keep it up. It's a corporate stupid mentality that they think they can do anything they want and we won't retaliate.

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