Rongnongno Loc: FL

First one is a roof. Initial clue: There no tree next to the pyramid then on download one can see the shingles....

Not sure what you are trying to say here.

Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

There are almost always far more than just 4 involved. Claiming interpolation is trivial is also just hilarious!

But again this is just false logic: another Straw Man argument to avoid any actual issue.

Raw sensor data does not define one specific image. The raster data from a JPEG image defines exactly one image. That is in essence the significant difference.

blackest Loc: Ireland

True its my neighbors garage but a shed in Ireland made a fairly effective stand in, I wanted to give an impression, reality can be what you make it. Did it feel like the valley of the kings? What we make isn't reality, we can't make a faithful reproduction we just create an illusion. Just using a lens changes what we see. Floyds obsession with it being correct misses the point of photography which really is to communicate. If floyd was a cave man and he saw a cave painting of a buffalo would his first reaction be its the wrong color! Mostly we have stories to tell, experiences to share it's light painting not reality.

It's a fools errand to get hung up on the science, its like looking at a sketch and only seeing pencil marks on paper.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

If you want alternate reality check my last topic....

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Talk about a straw man. Nothing could be more irrelevant!

The only specific image that matters is the one you are looking at now. You can change any image, whether you ave viewing the image from a raw file, JPEG, TIFF, etc.

Go out and take some pictures. You have posted two images in the past 9 months. Show us something. That would be more relevant.

Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

Babble...

Woody4329

Thanks for posting. I have wanted to see examples.

Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC

"...Raw sensor data does not define one specific image..." Totally agree this is indeed a valid inference albeit the same can just as easily apply to JPEG... Example opening a 8-bit JPEG in PS and then converting the aforementioned to 16-bit allows far more latitude in tonal range manipulation... Same with TIFF... One who has mastered Photoshop is quite likely able to craft effective imagery regardless of source material... However the learning curve is rather steep thus a compelling desire to remain in the JPEG camp... this debate has raged since the dawn of digital...

That said there are compelling reasons why RAW is far and away the format of choice for high end commercial work...
As oft said, Money doesn't talk it shouts! i.e. there is no arguing with success...

Food for thought... "Good men do not argue. Those who argue are not good. Those who know are not learned."
From the wisdom of Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 81

Rather than wasting time in a vain attempt to assert territorial imperatives I would suggest instead investing in a study of Tao Te Ching...

A beginner's mind is a beautiful thing... those who are learned do not know...
enough said...

Woody4329

Thanks for posting. I have been wanting to see examples.

Woody4329

Sorry for the double post.

Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

The data in a RAW file defines, without changing it, a nearly infinite number of images. The data in a JPEG or TIFF file defines, without changing it, only one image.

Moreover when we interpolate raw data so that it can be viewed and then edit the viewed image to be different, it is impossible to de-interpolate that viewed image to produce raw sensor data that can be wriiten back to the RAW file. Interpolation is a one way process. Raw to RGB only; there is no way to go from RBG to raw data. That is simply because a JPEG or TIFF file gives you only one of the zillions of images that are part of the raw sensor data.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Still trolling with that straw man?

We all know that there an infinite variety of ways to work with the raw data. Has anyone said that is not so?

There are also an infinite number of ways to continue processing starting from a JPEG or a TIFF. You simply have to hang on to a copy of the file you started from. Just don't save over it.

So how is one infinity greater than the other? Only in your mind.

bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.

when shooting JPG the camera creates a picture as its programmed to do. In RAW , you get RAW and YOU get to create the picture as you wish.
The only time I shoot JPG is with my cell phone.

Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

If just once you could read something for detail! You are not responding to what was said, only to the very different concept you can imagine. Read it again, where you get lost the right response is to ask what it means.

The point is that the raw sensor data is not edited. The JPEG you imagine requires the data be edited.

Is infinity equal to 1 in your mind, or are you careless with what you say?

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

You are making a big deal out of the obvious, looking for someone to argue with. That is trolling with a straw man. Find someone who knows less about the subject than you do, if you can.

Stop pretending to know more than everyone else and just go take some pictures. Can't you apply all of your vast knowledge and post something better than a cell phone snapshot? Step back from the keyboard and unleash your creativity!

You must have some marvelous twilight opportunities available.