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Jul 11, 2016 11:38:21   #
Kuzano
 
imagemeister wrote:
OR, you could leave your camera JPEG settings neutral and process the way you want to fit the subject and your exposure in Elements - like I do - could'nt you ??


You are very correct in pointing out that the ONLY post processable format is NOT just RAW. Yes, more overhead. But miles of processing is also available in JPEG. And that's not new.

Of course the RAW Acolytes may jump all over this, but I've considerably improved some images shot in JPEG. I started out that way, I yielded to the clamor for RAW for about five years and made it up to Photoshop CS3. Life was too short for the learning curve of RAW, as I also made my living on computers and begrudged the time also spent for my avocation sitting in that same spot. So I PP Jpeg now.

Have not shot a RAW image for serious in about 5 years.

But I really do make it a point to know the flexibility of my JPEG image processor, so that PP at the computer is reduced by the work I can configure the camera to perform on JPEG images. I truly attempt to understand my control over the digital camera, just as with film, starting in the Sixties.

So where you and I may differ is that I don't often leave my JPEGS set in neutral because the camera actually now has a lot of PreProcessing built in. And I don't do a lot of mending JPEG in photo editors. But more importantly, I simply don't feel a need for RAW.

I'm a GIRIC or SOOC kind of person. Personally, I don't consider Post Processing the essence of "Photography". Moreso, I may not consider PP more than a small percentage of the real activities of "Photography"!!!


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Jul 11, 2016 11:39:40   #
Yeti Bigtoe
 
HarryBinNC wrote:
Or better yet, look at the Panasonic LX100, which is the same camera in a more ergonomic body for almost $400 less money. Leica surely don't give those red dots away, do they?

BTW, the Leica/Panasonics are 4/3 sensor cameras at nearly the same cost as the 3 APS sensor cameras originally mentioned, so have the inherent slight IQ disadvantage of the breed when compared to the larger sensor APS cameras. However, the Leica/Panasonics have a built in zoom lens and an EVF, which for me, makes me strongly more likely to buy the Panasonic than any of the others. I don't like fixed focal length lenses and will not buy ANY camera that doesn't have a viewfinder.
Or better yet, look at the Panasonic LX100, which ... (show quote)


I concur, the Panasonic LX100 keeps a grin on my face. Leica Type 109 clone. 24-75 zoom. Easy to access controls without having to continually dive into menus.

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Jul 11, 2016 11:55:47   #
HarryBinNC Loc: Blue Ridge Mtns, No.Carolina, USA
 
[quote=philmurfin]Hi,
In terms of jpeg image quality, there seems to be very little difference between the Fuji X70 - £499, Ricoch GR - £350 and the Nikon Coolpix A - £293.
Given that I'm just wanting something small and light, that will give good quality, without the bother of interchangeable lenses. From your experience, which one of these, or any others, would you go for please? [end quote]


If forced to purchase one of the three, I would pay the premium for the Fuji because I really, really like their old-school direct controls and the way Fuji listens to their customers and regularly updates their cameras in response.

However, given the freedom to choose something else, I would purchase a Panasonic LX-100 instead of any of the above because: 1. I don't like fixed focal length cameras 2. I will not have a camera that doesn't have an EVF (Electronic View Finder) 3. The Panasonic has a fast zoom lens, a nice EVF and, although it has a small disadvantage in IQ due to its smaller 4/3 sensor, I feel that it is more than good enough for its intended purpose. I have its slightly bigger brother - a Panasonic RX7 that is my "always with me" camera and I am very happy with it.

On the other hand, if pocketability is paramount, the Ricoh wins out, even though I would not care to have a >4" long, 1.6" brick in my jeans pocket - in a loose jacket - maybe.

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Jul 11, 2016 11:59:51   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Once you properly use an EVF with a current sensor - any GOOD reasons for using RAW fade away ........

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Jul 11, 2016 12:22:48   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Every digital camera has a mini-image CPU that converts the sensor stream of 0/1 bits into an image file that can be read by devices. There is more than one JPEG 'flavor.' There earliest is lossy and later developments have much less loss, but none are perfect. Other than producing a device (computer, smartphone, smarttablet) readable file, there is no standard, so different cameras can be expected to be different. Wonder if anyone has done a standardized procedure for rating image quality. One such might be to use Photoshop: open image file, enalrge until first pixelation occurs. Not very exact, though.

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Jul 11, 2016 14:57:16   #
john901 Loc: Lancaster, PA
 
I'll give you a direct reply to your question. Go for the Ricoh and here's why:

Ricoh is not too well known in many places, but they have been making very good cameras for many years. They have sharp lenses and are very dependable- very good "carry around" cameras. Their value is excellent; you can save some money without sacrificing quality.

John 901

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Jul 12, 2016 18:56:21   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
I have recently added a Panasonic LX100 to my equipment and have been exceptionally satisfied with the results. It has a Lieca designed 1.7 lens that produces needle sharp pix and the controls are all that one could want. I recommend it very highly.

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Jul 13, 2016 11:43:34   #
philmurfin Loc: Bakewell, Derbyshire UK
 
Thanks everyone for you educated advice. Just to let you know, I opted for the Fuji X70 and up to now, I'm really pleased with it
Again Thanks
Phil

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