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Canon 100-400L ii w/1.4x iii tele or Sigma 150-600 Sport?
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Jan 28, 2016 21:53:05   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
davidrb wrote:
You might be a little bit high in your pricing of 1963 Corvettes. But, we were discussing the newer version of the Canon 100-400mm lens and we all know the trading price for the lens. I am reading the critiques here and some are being too harsh with the 2x T/C. I'm not getting too many problems with either TC and the newer version of the lens. Been shooting it and either T/C for the last 3 weeks and don't have any problems. I find the 1.4 T/C to be almost required to make the lens reach it's maximum capabilities. I was able to shoot an afternoon's worth of the EF 200-400mm f/4.0L w 1.4 T/c last fall. The 100-400 with the 1.4 t/c reminds me of the bigger lens. Both lenses seem to be as comfortable with the T/C as without it. The T/C should be included in version III of the 100-400. The top 2 shots are @ 800mm, the bottom is 540mm.
You might be a little bit high in your pricing of ... (show quote)


David, what do you know about the version III and how soon will it be out! If you can do that , next I'll be asking about the stock market. With this lens it looks like you'd be pushing things to the limit with either extender in low light situations with an f/8 with the 1.4 and f/11 with the 2x.

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Jan 28, 2016 22:25:45   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
RRS wrote:
David, what do you know about the version III and how soon will it be out! If you can do that , next I'll be asking about the stock market. With this lens it looks like you'd be pushing things to the limit with either extender in low light situations with an f/8 with the 1.4 and f/11 with the 2x.


The version III has been out for a while.
I have used it with the new 100-400 and it is very sharp with the lens.

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Jan 28, 2016 22:40:31   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
RRS wrote:
David, what do you know about the version III and how soon will it be out! If you can do that , next I'll be asking about the stock market. With this lens it looks like you'd be pushing things to the limit with either extender in low light situations with an f/8 with the 1.4 and f/11 with the 2x.


We are actually developing version III in my basement. Look for it to be out sometime late next eon. I can't think of many version III's but the 100-400mm and the 200-400mm seem to be big brother/little brother. When I say that keep in mind that the 100-400mm it terribly limited in what it will accomplish under low light situations. I wouldn't even try to use it near it's limits, unless I could control that situation completely. I currently use it strictly for daylight, tripod mounted operations where the subjects are stationary. I do have an actual photograph of a house finch in flight! It's kind of funny until you figure out what it is. The lens is not designed for speed, not at it's aperture range. But, I am getting more than I had expected from it. At sometime this year we should have warmer temperatures. At that time I shall be able to go prowl the woods and see what wildlife lurks. It is fast with it's normal AF but I want to play with the IS. 4 extra stops is a bold statement, and the authors didn't have ME in mind when they designed the system. Sorry to let you down concerning the stock market, not as much fun as photography.

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Jan 28, 2016 23:09:50   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
He meant version III of the 100-400, not the extender. And the answer is "a long time". After all the Mk I was around over 10 years before the Mk II was released a year ago.
Architect1776 wrote:
The version III has been out for a while.
I have used it with the new 100-400 and it is very sharp with the lens.

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Jan 28, 2016 23:23:09   #
mdphelps Loc: Michigan
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
The 6D is not a sports/wildlife camera. The 7D II is. Nuff said.


I agree & use 6D for "stationary" objects (baseball pitcher/outfield/1st base/batter) who relative location is predictable & 7DMkii for quick action "fast moving" soccer & basketball. Thanks for you advice

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Jan 28, 2016 23:28:15   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
You could rent to try each lens before you buy.
mdphelps wrote:
Would like input on which combination is better for IQ & Autofocus on Canon 6D & 7Dmkii for sport shooting (soccer, baseball & track field) usually in decent daylight. Currently shooting inside sports with 70-200L ii 2.8 USM IS. Thanks for your input.

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Jan 28, 2016 23:59:38   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
davidrb wrote:
We are actually developing version III in my basement. Look for it to be out sometime late next eon. I can't think of many version III's but the 100-400mm and the 200-400mm seem to be big brother/little brother. When I say that keep in mind that the 100-400mm it terribly limited in what it will accomplish under low light situations. I wouldn't even try to use it near it's limits, unless I could control that situation completely. I currently use it strictly for daylight, tripod mounted operations where the subjects are stationary. I do have an actual photograph of a house finch in flight! It's kind of funny until you figure out what it is. The lens is not designed for speed, not at it's aperture range. But, I am getting more than I had expected from it. At sometime this year we should have warmer temperatures. At that time I shall be able to go prowl the woods and see what wildlife lurks. It is fast with it's normal AF but I want to play with the IS. 4 extra stops is a bold statement, and the authors didn't have ME in mind when they designed the system. Sorry to let you down concerning the stock market, not as much fun as photography.
We are actually developing version III in my basem... (show quote)


Thanks David, you always make for a good read!

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Jan 29, 2016 10:34:16   #
jimvanells Loc: Augusta, GA
 
I just went through this decision myself. I use a full frame 5 D III and went to a photo store with my camera and they let me test both lenses. I went out side and took some pictures at specific distances with both lenses and kept the images on the same card. I compared the increased reach of the 600mm to the sharpness of the 1-400 ii on my 24" monitor. I cannot use my Canon 1.4xiii on the Sigma lens and would have to buy their extender so that also weighed into the decision.

I found that the reach of the 600 was what I really needed for wildlife so i bought it and am happy with it. With the 7Dii you will get increased reach but the downside of that is the smaller viewing area and for BIF that is a factor in finding them in flight. I did own a 7D and traded up to the 5DIII and I sold my 1-400 Canon to get the Sigma.

There are a lot of reviews on you tube comparing both of the lenses and those were helpful. I have posted some eagle pictures I took with the Sigma Sport that I have and they show great resolution and sharpness.

Best of luck and keep in mind that in deciding between these two, there is no wrong decision.

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Jan 29, 2016 10:34:34   #
jimvanells Loc: Augusta, GA
 
I just went through this decision myself. I use a full frame 5 D III and went to a photo store with my camera and they let me test both lenses. I went out side and took some pictures at specific distances with both lenses and kept the images on the same card. I compared the increased reach of the 600mm to the sharpness of the 1-400 ii on my 24" monitor. I cannot use my Canon 1.4xiii on the Sigma lens and would have to buy their extender so that also weighed into the decision.

I found that the reach of the 600 was what I really needed for wildlife so i bought it and am happy with it. With the 7Dii you will get increased reach but the downside of that is the smaller viewing area and for BIF that is a factor in finding them in flight. I did own a 7D and traded up to the 5 D III and I sold my 1-400 Canon to get the Sigma.

There are a lot of reviews on you tube comparing both of the lenses and those were helpful. I have posted some eagle pictures I took with the Sigma Sport that I have and they show great resolution and sharpness.

Best of luck and keep in mind that in deciding between these two, there is no wrong decision.

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Jan 29, 2016 11:44:40   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
jimvanells wrote:
With the 7Dii you will get increased reach but the downside of that is the smaller viewing area and for BIF that is a factor in finding them in flight.


This is an advantage for the Canon 70-200 2.8 II W/2X or the Sigma 100-300 f4 W/1.4X - as they are non extending zooms and you can zoom back pick up the bird and zoom out with the tips of one or two fingers - IF - you are good at multitasking. The down side is the AF is non quite as fast .....as without the TC's.

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Jan 29, 2016 17:31:20   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
robertjerl wrote:
In general that is true. Modify it to the 7DII is much better/easier to use as a sport/wildlife camera. I own both and after practice I have gotten some very good birds and BIF with my 6D. I went back to the old fashioned way, manual mode, preset everything, wait for the bird to be at the right distance (sometimes I use center point focus and track with a gimbal head).

My ideal bird camera would be a combo of the 7DII AF and other features with the 6D's sensor, maybe a new Mk II higher megapixel 6D sensor. Then I would need to win the lotto to afford one.
In general that is true. Modify it to the 7DII is... (show quote)


A combination of the 7DII AF system (with some enhancements) and a full frame sensor, Hmm, I think I've got what you're looking for, the 5DSr. It's slow like the 6D, but I can live with 5fps, It's got an AF system second to none, though a few less focus points than the 7DII, and that 50.6 mp sensor is with a doubt the best 35mm sensor Canon has ever marketed. Mount the 100-400L II on the 5DSr and you won't need a 1.4x converter, you can crop the images as if you were shooting with a 1200mm lens and still retain good image quality.

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Jan 29, 2016 18:32:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
A combination of the 7DII AF system (with some enhancements) and a full frame sensor, Hmm, I think I've got what you're looking for, the 5DSr. It's slow like the 6D, but I can live with 5fps, It's got an AF system second to none, though a few less focus points than the 7DII, and that 50.6 mp sensor is with a doubt the best 35mm sensor Canon has ever marketed. Mount the 100-400L II on the 5DSr and you won't need a 1.4x converter, you can crop the images as if you were shooting with a 1200mm lens and still retain good image quality.
A combination of the 7DII AF system (with some enh... (show quote)


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Jan 29, 2016 22:06:31   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
A combination of the 7DII AF system (with some enhancements) and a full frame sensor, Hmm, I think I've got what you're looking for, the 5DSr. It's slow like the 6D, but I can live with 5fps, It's got an AF system second to none, though a few less focus points than the 7DII, and that 50.6 mp sensor is with a doubt the best 35mm sensor Canon has ever marketed. Mount the 100-400L II on the 5DSr and you won't need a 1.4x converter, you can crop the images as if you were shooting with a 1200mm lens and still retain good image quality.
A combination of the 7DII AF system (with some enh... (show quote)


No thanks, that sensor can only perform properly with a relatively small number of available lenses. And the 6D and 5DIII both outdo it in dim light.
I am thinking more on the order of 28 or 30 mp up to maybe 36. A lot more resolution but will work well with most lenses available. Oh yeah, I want it to do at least as well in low light as the 5DIII and better yet the 6D, or even a little better. After all the 6D sensor is a few years old, they should have figured out how to do better by now. Throw in a new processor, call it digic 6+ or 7 to keep the frame rate up above the 6Ds 4.5 fps. The 7DII's 10 fps is almost certainly out of reach for 28 or more mp. But I can wish, can't I?

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