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Nov 2, 2015 11:54:48   #
qasas3251 Loc: Shippensburg, PA
 
Great advice, I'll file it away for later use if ever needed.

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Nov 2, 2015 11:56:47   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
qasas3251 wrote:
Great advice, I'll file it away for later use if ever needed.


Thank you very much.

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Nov 2, 2015 16:49:24   #
canon Lee
 
ronichas wrote:
i was told they would put a link to my site. i offered to donate a portion of sales to the charity. my point was they thanked him on facebook, and posted a link to his site on facebook, and submitted his photos that were shown on tv with the 2 celebrities present.

i wanted/expected some exposure for volunteering 8 hours of shooting and 5 hours of processing over 400 photos. i did the work and he got the thanks.

do you get it now?


I don't get your point. You want "credits" for donating your time? It would be nice if I got credit, each time, for donating my time. I don't expect it. When I volunteer I know I will work hard and long hours, but that is what I am donating to the cause. I don't expect any credits, perhaps a thank you is all I would need. I walk away with knowing I have helped another with my talents. Perhaps you might be over evaluating your importance a bit.

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Nov 2, 2015 17:16:16   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
RichardSM wrote:
Maybe you could post how they treated you in a local news paper that would certainly raise some eyebrows.


I like this idea. The planners of the event were unprofessional in their actions. They should have thanked you and gave your information first and foremost. They could have given a special "thanks" to the other person for sharing his photos.....but that is where it should have stopped. Their attitude with you is unacceptable.

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Nov 2, 2015 17:19:10   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
canon Lee wrote:
I don't get your point. You want "credits" for donating your time? It would be nice if I got credit, each time, for donating my time. I don't expect it. When I volunteer I know I will work hard and long hours, but that is what I am donating to the cause. I don't expect any credits, perhaps a thank you is all I would need. I walk away with knowing I have helped another with my talents. Perhaps you might be over evaluating your importance a bit.


For most a simple thank you would definitely suffice. But when someone asks you to do your profession for free, then gives another photographer "exposure" for future business, that is a grave injustice. Many businesses are helped by word of mouth and accolades. Since she did not receive any money, what is wrong with a public "pat on the back"?

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Nov 2, 2015 17:21:40   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Leon S wrote:
I think I "get it now." You were asked to volunteer to shoot a charity event. The event was to obviously make money for some worthy cause. You thought you would take this opportunity to sell your pictures and from which donate some portion of your proceeds to the charity. My wife and I have been asked to volunteer our time and services for a worthy cause this coming weekend. If more photographers show up than us, we just get to leave early. If someone wants to buy a 4x6 all the money goes to the charity. The cost of the 4x6 is ours. The time for the photography is also our donation. Hopefully we get some follow up business from the event, but that's it. We'll be there from 1PM until about 7PM. The temps should be around 40 degrees or colder. It might snow. I think "I get it now." Your idea of volunteering is different from mine.
I think I "get it now." You were asked ... (show quote)


In the grand scheme of things your volunteering is not different than hers. You both expected "exposure".

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Nov 2, 2015 18:29:57   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
canon Lee wrote:
I don't get your point. You want "credits" for donating your time? It would be nice if I got credit, each time, for donating my time. I don't expect it. When I volunteer I know I will work hard and long hours, but that is what I am donating to the cause. I don't expect any credits, perhaps a thank you is all I would need. I walk away with knowing I have helped another with my talents. Perhaps you might be over evaluating your importance a bit.



All fine, but from what was posted the people running the event were VERY unprofessional. It's the same old "takers and makers" story IMO.

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Nov 2, 2015 18:40:53   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
canon Lee wrote:
I don't get your point. You want "credits" for donating your time? It would be nice if I got credit, each time, for donating my time. I don't expect it. When I volunteer I know I will work hard and long hours, but that is what I am donating to the cause. I don't expect any credits, perhaps a thank you is all I would need. I walk away with knowing I have helped another with my talents. Perhaps you might be over evaluating your importance a bit.


i think you continue to miss the point...i was ASKED to donate my time & expertise, i did not volunteer for this.
i don't think i am **over evaluating my importance a bit.**
a bit hostile on your part.

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Nov 2, 2015 18:42:11   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
ronichas wrote:
i think you continue to miss the point...i was ASKED to donate my time & expertise, i did not volunteer for this.
i don't think i am **over evaluating my importance a bit.**
a bit hostile on your part.



I agree with you.

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Nov 2, 2015 18:42:45   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
Cykdelic wrote:
I agree with you.


thank you!!!!!

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Nov 2, 2015 19:34:17   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
Penny MG wrote:
In the grand scheme of things your volunteering is not different than hers. You both expected "exposure".


No. I'll get exposure this Saturday at the event I volunteered for, just by being there. That's what volunteering is all about. When you go in expecting a payment or reward, it is not volunteering.

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Nov 5, 2015 10:44:31   #
Dun1 Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
When you volunteer you time and talent more often than usual it's not appreciated by some people. An more experienced photographer told me early on as we were photographing a football game, "Don't give your stuff away, if you do it will not have any value"

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Nov 6, 2015 10:11:19   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
I purposely didn't read the 9 pages ahead of my post, because you asked a specific question, and I'll tell you what "I" would do.

I think some depends on the tone of your letter, and if you have someone (that will be honest, not someone you "Know" will take your side) read it and tell you if you were indeed rude, or if it came across that way.

I think pursuing it will make you look bad, no matter what. It is a charity. If you attack them, or post negative things online, be prepared to be attacked, even if you are right.

I volunteer my time for one specific organization, but it was me that approached them, I set my terms, etc. If someone calls me and asks for "free work" I just pass on it. I have yet to speak to someone where that worked out well for the photographer.

I would take this as a learning experience. If you still choose to donate time in the future, spell out your terms in a contract. A contract requires that there is payment, even if the payment is a link to your website, or some kind of acknowledgement, it doesn't have to be "cash" (although, that's what I like better than a thank you)

Seriously, if your proofreading friend finds that what you said could come across as rude, I think YOU should apologize for the tone and explain that it wasn't how you meant it. They may own up after that and make things right. If you weren't rude, then just realize the type of people they are, and don't support them. Bad mouthing anyone, will always come back to bite you in the rear end.

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Nov 6, 2015 10:55:09   #
canon Lee
 
ronichas wrote:
i think you continue to miss the point...i was ASKED to donate my time & expertise, i did not volunteer for this.
i don't think i am **over evaluating my importance a bit.**
a bit hostile on your part.


No offense intended. Sorry that I don't get the difference between "donate" and "volunteer"? I am sure anyone can split hairs and come up with something. Obviously you are offended because you didn't get any credit or the credit went to another or you had to share the credit. Being a "designated photographer" has a different meaning to me between a paid shoot and donating your time. For me when I want to donate my time and volunteer for a cause, I don't expect more than a thank you. I understand that I am just another volunteer along with others helping the cause. I am sure that there are many others that donated their talents also and perhaps didn't get or want any credit. Donating is an act of kindness without any compensation.
Everyone that donates and volunteers works as a team for the cause. It is all about the cause and its success. Thank your from me for donating your time and talent for that cause, It shows you are a caring & giving women.

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Nov 7, 2015 00:28:14   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
I think the OP is really saying that she was asked to do the shoot and then asked to do it for nothing. There is a fine line between donating and volunteering, but there is a line. It sounds like it wasn't her idea in the first place and, though she did it out of the goodness of her own heart, she still had hopes for some recognition. I can understand that state of mind. To be asked for something, then to be told she's giving it for free, and then to sacrifice her time and talent (possibly for a cause in which she had no personal interest) AND then to be denied recognition and be tread shabbily is an insult. It is not personal pride and profit; it is about hurt and betrayal!

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