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Nov 1, 2015 20:21:23   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I still don't get what you are expecting from "volunteering" and being the "designated photographer". Why does it matter whether anyone else is taking pictures? Why does it matter if they are selling their pictures. Is that what you were doing?


i was told they would put a link to my site. i offered to donate a portion of sales to the charity. my point was they thanked him on facebook, and posted a link to his site on facebook, and submitted his photos that were shown on tv with the 2 celebrities present.

i wanted/expected some exposure for volunteering 8 hours of shooting and 5 hours of processing over 400 photos. i did the work and he got the thanks.

do you get it now?

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Nov 1, 2015 20:25:35   #
jcboy3
 
ronichas wrote:
i was told they would put a link to my site. i offered to donate a portion of sales to the charity. my point was they thanked him on facebook, and posted a link to his site on facebook, and submitted his photos that were shown on tv with the 2 celebrities present.

i wanted/expected some exposure for volunteering 8 hours of shooting and 5 hours of processing over 400 photos. i did the work and he got the thanks.

do you get it now?


Okay, I get it now.

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Nov 1, 2015 20:36:38   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
My experience is that most charities are scams run mainly for the benefit of those who run the charity, rather than for the stated purpose of the charity... Scammers scam everyone. Sounds like you got scammed.

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Nov 1, 2015 20:44:00   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
ronichas wrote:
i was told they would put a link to my site. i offered to donate a portion of sales to the charity. my point was they thanked him on facebook, and posted a link to his site on facebook, and submitted his photos that were shown on tv with the 2 celebrities present.

i wanted/expected some exposure for volunteering 8 hours of shooting and 5 hours of processing over 400 photos. i did the work and he got the thanks.

do you get it now?



I think I "get it now." You were asked to volunteer to shoot a charity event. The event was to obviously make money for some worthy cause. You thought you would take this opportunity to sell your pictures and from which donate some portion of your proceeds to the charity. My wife and I have been asked to volunteer our time and services for a worthy cause this coming weekend. If more photographers show up than us, we just get to leave early. If someone wants to buy a 4x6 all the money goes to the charity. The cost of the 4x6 is ours. The time for the photography is also our donation. Hopefully we get some follow up business from the event, but that's it. We'll be there from 1PM until about 7PM. The temps should be around 40 degrees or colder. It might snow. I think "I get it now." Your idea of volunteering is different from mine.

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Nov 1, 2015 20:51:20   #
captxmas Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
Having been on both sides of this issue, My humble suggestion is to speak honestly and openly to those who hired you and the event planner. You are right to feel a little miffed as your work for them was a special "favor". To take any actions more than that may cause some behind the scenes actions negative to your business to take place.

Remember, a thousand happy customers never say anything. Its the one vocal customer who can spread a world of hurt in the business community.

Sorry it happened.

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Nov 1, 2015 20:55:30   #
qasas3251 Loc: Shippensburg, PA
 
It sounds like maybe this guy Ann the Director are old friends . Also the Director wants to keep him on his good side weather it be for money or talent. Either way take the high road and be the bigger person. I promise you will never regret it and at some point in time he may. I know from experience vengeance is bitter sweet. It may give quick gratification but in the long run you just end up hurting yourself. Hang in there sooner or later he'll get his.

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Nov 1, 2015 20:56:53   #
jcboy3
 
Bobspez wrote:
My experience is that most charities are scams run mainly for the benefit of those who run the charity, rather than for the stated purpose of the charity... Scammers scam everyone. Sounds like you got scammed.


So perceptive. So to the point.

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Nov 1, 2015 20:58:33   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
Leon S wrote:
I think I "get it now." You were asked to volunteer to shoot a charity event. The event was to obviously make money for some worthy cause. You thought you would take this opportunity to sell your pictures and from which donate some portion of your proceeds to the charity. My wife and I have been asked to volunteer our time and services for a worthy cause this coming weekend. If more photographers show up than us, we just get to leave early. If someone wants to buy a 4x6 all the money goes to the charity. The cost of the 4x6 is ours. The time for the photography is also our donation. Hopefully we get some follow up business from the event, but that's it. We'll be there from 1PM until about 7PM. The temps should be around 40 degrees or colder. It might snow. I think "I get it now." Your idea of volunteering is different from mine.
I think I "get it now." You were asked ... (show quote)


i don't think you get it at all, it wasn't about me selling my photos..
i have volunteered many times in the past, with several photographers photographing the event. it was never about selling my photos, it was more about a slap in my face that they thanked him publically, posting a link to his site publically and publically displaying his photos on tv. had i know from the beginning that another photographer would be photographing the event, i would have felt differently.

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Nov 1, 2015 21:17:34   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I'm going to side with the charity on this one, and suggest you apologize to them for the whole sordid mixup.

If you are going to volunteer, then do so. Take the pictures, send them in, and be satisfied with doing a good deed for a charity.

I don't get why you are so concerned with the "designated photographer" concept. Did they say you were? Does that mean no one else's pictures can be shown? You are upset that the other photographer is selling the pictures. Apparently he did not "donate" his time to the event.

If you take time to process pictures, you can expect that other's pictures will be up on social media before you get yours done. These days, the pictures could be showing up before the event is over. Either your processed pictures are so much better, or you need to speed it up.

At any rate, you may have ruined your chances to shoot this event in the future; but it sounds like you don't care. Not clear why you "volunteered" in the first place. Money? Advertising? Sounds like they put up a link to your pictures even after you took time getting them out while complaining about another photographer. And one they have a long standing relationship with. Not a good showing, as far as I see.

Here's the deal. The way you left it, you left the impression that you are "difficult" to work with. They might not want you back. They might not give you a good review to other clients.

Don't mix personal affront with business; it is not likely to do any good and more likely to do harm.
I'm going to side with the charity on this one, an... (show quote)

Interesting reply. Thanks jcboy3.
Marion

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Nov 1, 2015 21:18:50   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I think so. If you look behind the curtain on a lot of charities you would think so too.
jcboy3 wrote:
So perceptive. So to the point.

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Nov 1, 2015 21:38:20   #
Kingmapix Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
It's a good time to part ways with this organization. Your talents can be used elsewhere.

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Nov 1, 2015 22:13:12   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Several years ago, I agreed (for the third consecutive year) to shoot a charity event. Since we had a special guest, I brought my 4 X 5 and lighting equipment for some special shots. The "Foundation Board" was not happy about my placement of my equipment and asked me to move it so they could use my assigned area for "formal" shots by a newspaper photographer who never turned up. Eventually they used two of my shots (properly credited) for newspaper coverage of the event. Then they "fired" me, revoked my membership and wrote me a polite letter requesting my resignation from a position with the location which they supported. In the past few years, the location has acquired a new manager who relies less on the foundation, the foundation board has changed and this year, they contacted me to photograph another fundraiser. Having learned about parallel stories on this forum, I agreed provided they sign a contract. They refused. I am still available to shoot their events because I believe in what they sponsor. But I will never do so without a contract, nor will I ever again provide them with all the pictures as I did in the past. And I will register any and all pictures I take!

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Nov 2, 2015 07:24:22   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Just next time the director asks you to do it refuse.



Agreed! Good advice.......chalk it up to experience.

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Nov 2, 2015 09:18:09   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Hi R--
I do a lot of charity work. From homeless, first responders, women's resource center, Austistic school's and charities (I have an autistic grandson) Sporting events that raise cash for fireman and parks in DE.
That said. Get over it. You are right. But best to enjoy your work and giving time to volunteers.
I am the official producer/videographer for a number of big charity sports events. Triathlons, marathons etc. When doing them many stringers trying to sell personal photo's and other shooters including friends competitors are shooting all the time. At the finish lines they get in the way. My technique and personality is to make friends with them. Thank them. encourage their work. The clients love my productions and support me.
Having produced corporate events, videos and marketing with my production companies I owned over the years problems were solved with a friendly, open, leave my ego at the door.

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Nov 2, 2015 10:01:21   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
Hi R--
I do a lot of charity work. From homeless, first responders, women's resource center, Austistic school's and charities (I have an autistic grandson) Sporting events that raise cash for fireman and parks in DE.
That said. Get over it. You are right. But best to enjoy your work and giving time to volunteers.
I am the official producer/videographer for a number of big charity sports events. Triathlons, marathons etc. When doing them many stringers trying to sell personal photo's and other shooters including friends competitors are shooting all the time. At the finish lines they get in the way. My technique and personality is to make friends with them. Thank them. encourage their work. The clients love my productions and support me.
Having produced corporate events, videos and marketing with my production companies I owned over the years problems were solved with a friendly, open, leave my ego at the door.
Hi R-- br I do a lot of charity work. From homeles... (show quote)



Well put.

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