Why We Don't Look Like Chimps
Oct 5, 2015 18:44:33 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
slocumeddie wrote:
A simple but blatant diversion.....nothing more..........
There is no diversion from me, the diversion is coming from YOUR side with the insults and vitriol instead of addressing the issues as OldDoc is doing. Maybe it's because OldDoc is more mature than silver and James in his dialog with the opposition?
Oct 5, 2015 18:53:21 #
Bazbo
Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
Racmanaz wrote:
Nobody in this article said we came from chimps. She was making the case that if we are so genetically similar to chimps, why do we look so different.
YOU said we emerged from chimps. Read your own post.
Oct 5, 2015 19:00:35 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
OldDoc wrote:
Please go and read the Durrett and Schmidt paper instead of the classic comic slanted summary. They do say that under some conditions that are not realistic it could take 100 million years, but using realistic boundaries, the time required is more in the very few hundreds of thousand years-very practicable for evolution. In fact, their paper is a direct disputation of Behe's nonsense.
I'm trying to understand what you are implying, here what the report said... Durrett and Schmidt published a paper examining how long it would take to have two coordinated mutations (one inactivating and the other activating) take place in an evolving hominin population. They found it would require in excess of 100 million years.
This is what you proposed...the time required is more in the very few hundreds of thousand years-very practicable for evolution.
Two coordinated mutations every 300,000 years? That's still way too long for the difference between chimps and humans from what I can tell. In 6 million years with 2 coordinated mutations every 300,000 years would be a total of 20 pairs of mutations. What am I getting wrong here? Please help me understand.
Sorry, I will go with Michael Behe's findings, he was vindicated and you guys will just have to accept his work whether you believe it or not, he won this battle.
"So, Michael Behe Was Right After All; What Will the Critics Say Now"
http://chab123.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/so-michael-behe-was-right-after-all-what-will-the-critics-say-now/
Michael Behe Vindicated! (Part 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bTYvYzm7jE
Michael Behe Vindicated! (Part 2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyK7FyNnx0w
I am sorry, no offence intended...but darwinian evolution is just pure speculation and NOT based on any empirical observable scientific evidence. Now I understand that just because a theory is not observable does not mean it is not true, it just means it is not scientifically observable.
Oct 5, 2015 19:01:38 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Bazbo wrote:
YOU said we emerged from chimps. Read your own post.
It said diverge not emerged, those were not my words.
Oct 5, 2015 19:39:27 #
Racmanaz wrote:
Adam and Eve were different genders and did not look exactly alike. Tell me, who came first..the male of female gender? just curious.
The bible tells us Eve was made from Adam's rib.
Oct 5, 2015 19:49:25 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Texcaster wrote:
The bible tells us Eve was made from Adam's rib.
Yes and our chromosomes seems to indicate that as well.
Oct 5, 2015 20:03:25 #
Racmanaz wrote:
Adam and Eve were different genders and did not look exactly alike. Tell me, who came first..the male of female gender? just curious.
Hey, clown, Adam and Eve are figments of your imagination. Prove me wrong.
Oct 5, 2015 20:07:34 #
Racmanaz wrote:
I'm trying to understand what you are implying, he... (show quote)
Behe is discounted by members of his own institution, who do not support his wild ideas. Behe loses; Clown loses, yet resounds repeatedly in his echo chamber, UHH.
No one believes this clown.
Oct 5, 2015 20:08:27 #
Racmanaz wrote:
Yes and our chromosomes seems to indicate that as well.
Total Bull Sh$t. Clown makes claims he cannot back up.
Oct 5, 2015 20:26:03 #
Racmanaz wrote:
Yes and our chromosomes seems to indicate that as well.
No, if Eve were made from Adam's rib women would have an X and a Y chromosome - they don't.
Oct 5, 2015 20:51:36 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
OldDoc wrote:
No, if Eve were made from Adam's rib women would have an X and a Y chromosome - they don't.
Hmm lets see, man has all the components (Chromosomes) "one X and one Y) to be either male or female. Females have chromosomes to be female only (two X's), therefore we can hypothesize and say female came from male because Eve did not have the Y chromosome to pass on to adam. Of course this is all speculation and does not absolutely indicate one way or another, just a fun "fact" that is interesting.
"The components needed to make Eve were already in Adams cells, i.e. human chromosomes, which carry the genetic material to make the human body. All humans have 46 chromosomes, but sex is determined by only two of them called X and Y. Males have one X and one Y. Females have two Xs. The other 44 chromosomes are called autosomes, and are the same in males and females. Therefore, to make female cells from male cells God had all the different kinds of chromosomes he needed. He had to take out the Y and duplicate the X, but He did not have to invent any new kind of chromosome that did not already exist, but if you can invent chromosomes in the first place such a small act as deletion and duplication would be relatively simple. Therefore, Adam and Eve were separate, unique creations, with Adam being fully male and Eve being fully female. God did not need to create any new material to make Eve, nor was Eve simply a clone of Adam she was a creation of God, a different individual, but still one flesh with Adam.
Furthermore, Adam and Eve (and all males and females since then) need the combination of chromosomes God gave them to live a normal life and reproduce. Males need one X to live, and the Y for male reproductive functions. Females need two Xs for female reproductive functions all of which must have been carefully predesigned by God so He could make man and woman in such an amazing way.
http://askjohnmackay.com/adams-rib-eve-made-adams-rib-clone-adam-y-chromosome/
Oct 5, 2015 21:00:34 #
The idea that you find the fantasy of a magical man in the sky making human out of dirt & then making his mate out of a rib over evolution is goofy.
Racmanaz wrote:
Hmm lets see, man has all the components (Chromoso... (show quote)
Oct 5, 2015 21:18:48 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
nakkh wrote:
The idea that you find the fantasy of a magical man in the sky making human out of dirt & then making his mate out of a rib over evolution is goofy.
What really is a fantasy is that YOU believe man came out of a non life primordial soup and magically evolved into a simple cell organism and then evolved into all the species in the world and into an intelligent human species....now that's real black magic lol.
Oct 5, 2015 21:23:50 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
nakkh wrote:
The idea that you find the fantasy of a magical man in the sky making human out of dirt & then making his mate out of a rib over evolution is goofy.
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Oct 5, 2015 21:23:51 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
nakkh wrote:
The idea that you find the fantasy of a magical man in the sky making human out of dirt & then making his mate out of a rib over evolution is goofy.
It is scientific that only life begets life and non life produces NO life. Science therefore supports intelligent design not mistaken undirected "design" processes.
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