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Jan 11, 2015 21:25:05   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
Full time employment, way above minimum wage, with health care and stock, and they're hiring. All without raising prices.

Pittsburgh Restaurant Bans Tips, Will Pay Servers A Livable Salary Instead
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/09/restaurant-bans-tips-bar-marco-pittsburgh_n_6439582.html

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Jan 11, 2015 21:50:16   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
tschmath wrote:
Full time employment, way above minimum wage, with health care and stock, and they're hiring. All without raising prices.

Pittsburgh Restaurant Bans Tips, Will Pay Servers A Livable Salary Instead
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/09/restaurant-bans-tips-bar-marco-pittsburgh_n_6439582.html


When I was working I had good benefits but I could not live off those benefits until they were needed. I still had to depend on that pay check from one week to the other.

So, it would depend on the bring home pay... did those servers make more in tips or will they make more with a company pay-roll check?

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Jan 11, 2015 22:09:37   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
It won't work for a long, this has already been done and it failed. He would have to raise prices or add a service charge to the customers bill in order to make ends meet for a short period of time then have to close down.

What Happens When You Abolish Tipping??
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/culturebox/2013/08/tipless_restaurants_the_linkery_s_owner_explains_why_abolishing_tipping.html

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Jan 11, 2015 23:21:07   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
tschmath wrote:
Full time employment, way above minimum wage, with health care and stock, and they're hiring. All without raising prices.

Pittsburgh Restaurant Bans Tips, Will Pay Servers A Livable Salary Instead
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/09/restaurant-bans-tips-bar-marco-pittsburgh_n_6439582.html


"OK, Righties, What is your answer to this???"

What makes you think right-wingers would have a problem with this? A staple in conservative (or right-wing) philosophy is letting business owners do what they damn well please. I say hooray to whatever they would like to try. I am completely unaware of any right-wing opposition to waiters getting tips or a decent salary.

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Jan 11, 2015 23:27:10   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
Steven Seward wrote:
"OK, Righties, What is your answer to this???"

What makes you think right-wingers would have a problem with this? A staple in conservative (or right-wing) philosophy is letting business owners do what they damn well please. I say hooray to whatever they would like to try. I am completely unaware of any right-wing opposition to waiters getting tips or a decent salary.


Conservatives rail against raising the minimum wage, against health care, against every action to give people a decent life. Some people, like this restaurant owner, do these things voluntarily, and without a serious downside. But lots of others don't, and that's why we need minimum wage laws and mandatory health care from employers. It can be done, and should be done. This story lays to a lie all the economic arguments conservatives use against these things. No one in this country should have to work full time and still live in poverty, and no one in this country, regardless of employment situation, should be without health care.

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Jan 11, 2015 23:34:05   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
tschmath wrote:
Conservatives rail against raising the minimum wage, against health care, against every action to give people a decent life. Some people, like this restaurant owner, do these things voluntarily, and without a serious downside. But lots of others don't, and that's why we need minimum wage laws and mandatory health care from employers. It can be done, and should be done. This story lays to a lie all the economic arguments conservatives use against these things. No one in this country should have to work full time and still live in poverty, and no one in this country, regardless of employment situation, should be without health care.
Conservatives rail against raising the minimum wag... (show quote)


You are spewing the same perpetuating Liberal lies as most of you on the left do. People on the Right are not against min wage or heath care, you are just as disingenuous as most lying Liberals and its a good thing people are starting to see through Liberal lies. Very few people in America live in poverty, just another pathetic lie from Liberals. If you want to see poverty, go visit some 3rd world countries around the world and then tell us how you think people in America live in poverty.

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Jan 11, 2015 23:38:49   #
lightcatcher Loc: Farmington, NM (4 corners)
 
Racmanaz wrote:
You are spewing the same perpetuating Liberal lies as most of you on the left do. People on the Right are not against min wage or heath care, you are just as disingenuous as most lying Liberals and its a good thing people are starting to see through Liberal lies. Very few people in America live in poverty, just another pathetic lie from Liberals. If you want to see poverty, go visit some 3rd world countries around the world and then tell us how you think people in America live in poverty.


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Jan 11, 2015 23:40:27   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
tschmath wrote:
Conservatives rail against raising the minimum wage, against health care, against every action to give people a decent life. Some people, like this restaurant owner, do these things voluntarily, and without a serious downside. But lots of others don't, and that's why we need minimum wage laws and mandatory health care from employers. It can be done, and should be done. This story lays to a lie all the economic arguments conservatives use against these things. No one in this country should have to work full time and still live in poverty, and no one in this country, regardless of employment situation, should be without health care.
Conservatives rail against raising the minimum wag... (show quote)


You really have your head up your ass on this one. America has the highest poverty rate among the industrialized countries of the world.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ib339-us-poverty-higher-safety-net-weaker/

It also has the second highest child poverty rate in the industrialized world.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/15/map-how-35-countries-compare-on-child-poverty-the-u-s-is-ranked-34th

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Jan 11, 2015 23:49:49   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
tschmath wrote:
You really have your head up your ass on this one. America has the highest poverty rate among the industrialized countries of the world.

http://www.epi.org/publication/ib339-us-poverty-higher-safety-net-weaker/

It also has the second highest child poverty rate in the industrialized world.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/15/map-how-35-countries-compare-on-child-poverty-the-u-s-is-ranked-34th


You are full of it, you aren't not even aware of how they cook up those misleading data. Like I said, go visit some 3rd world countries and you will see what poverty really is. The United States defines the poverty line as a family living on less than about $22,000 per year, which includes about 15 percent of Americans. That's not even close to poverty compared to the whole earths population as an average, America has about 1% of poverty compared to the worlds population.

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Jan 11, 2015 23:57:33   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Also, how is the War on Poverty working out for you Liberals?? It's been 50 years since Lyndon Johnson’s war on poverty was established by him. If this war on poverty was constructed to help people get of of poverty, why are there more people in this so called "poverty" now then there was in 1964 since this policies inception?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/19/rector-the-war-on-poverty-50-years-of-failure/

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Jan 12, 2015 00:02:50   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Also, how is the War on Poverty working out for you Liberals?? It's been 50 years since Lyndon Johnson’s war on poverty was established by him. If this war on poverty was constructed to help people get of of poverty, why are there more people in this so called "poverty" now then there was in 1964 since this policies inception?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/19/rector-the-war-on-poverty-50-years-of-failure/


Nice job of deflecting from the original post. If you would read, I wasn't talking about third world or developing countries. I was talking about industrialized countries. And whether or not there are more or less poor people in this country since 1964 is irrelevant to my post.

As to the poverty in third world countries, try telling a homeless child in this country that he has it easier than a child in a developing country. Try telling a child who in this country who hasn't eaten in days how good he has it compared to someone in a developing country. That is an inane argument, but it's something I expect from you.

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Jan 12, 2015 00:06:53   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
tschmath wrote:
Nice job of deflecting from the original post. If you would read, I wasn't talking about third world or developing countries. I was talking about industrialized countries. And whether or not there are more or less poor people in this country since 1964 is irrelevant to my post.

As to the poverty in third world countries, try telling a homeless child in this country that he has it easier than a child in a developing country. Try telling a child who in this country who hasn't eaten in days how good he has it compared to someone in a developing country. That is an inane argument, but it's something I expect from you.
Nice job of deflecting from the original post. If... (show quote)


This is not about denying that a child is not without, some are. This about Liberal lies being spewed as you have so there is no defecting this is confronting your misinformation. Like I said in my first comment on your thread, it has been done before and it failed and will fail.

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Jan 12, 2015 00:15:40   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Anyway, if a restaurant wants to stop the tipping and paying their employees more with benefits....then they should do it. But don't go around claiming the Right wingers are against this, that is a lie and you know it.

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Jan 12, 2015 00:56:47   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
tschmath wrote:
Conservatives rail against raising the minimum wage, against health care, against every action to give people a decent life. Some people, like this restaurant owner, do these things voluntarily, and without a serious downside. But lots of others don't, and that's why we need minimum wage laws and mandatory health care from employers. It can be done, and should be done. This story lays to a lie all the economic arguments conservatives use against these things. No one in this country should have to work full time and still live in poverty, and no one in this country, regardless of employment situation, should be without health care.
Conservatives rail against raising the minimum wag... (show quote)


Yes, conservatives rail against raising the minimum wage, but that is exactly my point. The minimum wage is the government forcing one individual to pay another individual a certain amount of money, regardless if he earns it or not. The restaurant owner you have cited is doing this of his own free will. If the business plan doesn't work out, he is free to discard or change it. The government should not dictate how you should run your own business unless you are impinging on someone else.

The story of the restaurant doesn't lay to a lie any economic arguments by conservatives at all because there is no answer yet on whether it succeeded or not. The guy just announced what he is going to do. Nobody has any idea whether it will work or not. In fact Racmanaz posted a story of a restaurant that tried it, and found that they had to raise their prices in order to survive.

I don't think you have a firm grasp on conservative ideas.

This last question is not meant to provoke or insult you. Why do you think that no one in this country should have to work full time and still live in poverty, and why no one regardless of their employment situation should be without healthcare?

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Jan 12, 2015 01:04:42   #
lightcatcher Loc: Farmington, NM (4 corners)
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Yes, conservatives rail against raising the minimum wage, but that is exactly my point. The minimum wage is the government forcing one individual to pay another individual a certain amount of money, regardless if he earns it or not. The restaurant owner you have cited is doing this of his own free will. If the business plan doesn't work out, he is free to discard or change it. The government should not dictate how you should run your own business unless you are impinging on someone else.

The story of the restaurant doesn't lay to a lie any economic arguments by conservatives at all because there is no answer yet on whether it succeeded or not. The guy just announced what he is going to do. Nobody has any idea whether it will work or not. In fact Racmanaz posted a story of a restaurant that tried it, and found that they had to raise their prices in order to survive.

I don't think you have a firm grasp on conservative ideas.

This last question is not meant to provoke or insult you. Why do you think that no one in this country should have to work full time and still live in poverty, and why no one regardless of their employment situation should be without healthcare?
Yes, conservatives rail against raising the minimu... (show quote)


This conservative does not like big government sticking their noses into everything and screwing everything up in the process which big government is very good at....

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