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Jan 11, 2015 08:27:16   #
mvetrano2 Loc: Commack, NY
 
Abstract tulips!


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Jan 11, 2015 08:38:23   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
All one does with a camera is point and shoot

The difference between a photographer and an artist is that a artist interprets reality while a photographer attempts to capture it

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Jan 11, 2015 08:39:17   #
hdg Loc: Boston
 
I don't have time to take this challenge right now, but I would one of a few things...

1)with macro lens take the shot at an extreme angle, for instance find a potted plant that has one tiny flower. Bring that to the foreground (showing every tiny detail filling most of the page) and just barely show the pot, blurred in the background. or

2) using photoshop make a composition that shows some sort of irony. Perhaps a tropical plant sitting on a mossy shelf resting in an arid desert or a snow covered outdoor shelf with a blooming rose growing from a dead vine. Layered saturation could really help with the effect.

3) use light painting to paint just portions of a flower. Try ghosting the leaves and full paint the flower. This would look so eerie and beautiful.

I want to work on this project!! But I have to get back to work. Damn I wish I was a student again!

The only way your students can compete with painting students is through doing things the painting students can't do and stretching those creative muscles to create the unexpected. Will you post some of their more clever submissions? We'd love to see.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:05:50   #
ChrisCat Loc: Lawn Guyland, New Yawk
 
treadwl wrote:
I am teaching a photo class to high school students who at the end of the class must produce a project to be graded by professors at Cambridge University in England. There is a catch to this situation. All the graders are painters and they tend to look down on photography projects (lower the grade) because they think all the student does is point the camera and shoot.

The exam (project) comes with specific topics that the student must select from and then produce a work. Some of the topics sound simple and if they were done by a painter would be more acceptable, but if done with a camera are much more blah.

I am offering below a topic that was on a previous exam. I would like to see if someone out there is UHH land can take this topic and produce a compelling work that will capture attention in a powerful and dramatic fashion. This would have to to beyond the point and shoot phase.

So here is the topic--- good luck

In 8x10 (either vertical or horizontal) display the following:
A potted plant or plants sitting on a shelf.

I eagerly look forward to your submissions.

Larry
I am teaching a photo class to high school student... (show quote)


Here's a before and after ...

Right out of camera
Right out of camera...
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Photoshopped
Photoshopped...
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Jan 11, 2015 09:06:18   #
gligh66124 Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
Here is an old photo of mine. I did quite a bit of post-processing.



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Jan 11, 2015 09:19:16   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
Mogul wrote:
I have heard that the history classes taught at Cambridge end with the ascension of George III to the British throne. I am surprised their art department recognizes acrylics. If your school is so set on medieval standards, perhaps it's time for the replacement of the school's administration.


Mogul---You don't know how right you are on so many levels. this is what I've been fighting at the school for years.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:23:19   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
fstop22 wrote:
A shot in the dark.. No many plants in pots in my portfolio. This was softened and darkened for this purpose


Thank you fstop22 for your submission. However it would not qualify for the Cambridge assignment because there is no pot and no shelf. The directions must be followed or no credit is given.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:25:37   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
Bobbee wrote:
Just a thought, Your topic was too specific. Maybe that is good as the students don't have to then think a lot. But look at the some of the challenges here on UHH that the ADMIN puts up. Most of the time they are not specific but suggest a category, then the pictures are an effort to reflect that word, sentence, idea.


Bobbee
The topic is not of my making. It is the topic provided by the Cambridge examiners. Neither I nor my students have any say in the matter. We must deal with the topic as it was given.
That is just the way it is. If we change it---they just fail the project.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:28:01   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
APB wrote:
The study of history at Cambridge University is as broad as that offered by any of the world's top Universities, including such as Harvard and Yale.

I'm not sure that the project mentioned here will be scrutinised by professors at the University of Cambridge, which is established along collegiate grounds rather than under a general heading, there are many other educational establishments who connect themselves to the university name.


This course is part of the Cambridge International Examination program offered to high school students around the world. The people grading it are part of Cambridge University -- I have met several of them and they have shown their credentials.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:29:57   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It sounds like you have the wrong graders


Jerry. That may be---but I have to get the students to produce projects. I can't change the graders.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:31:14   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
karlw wrote:
Just add a pot


Thank you.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:32:37   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
dalematt wrote:
The original p/s photo was of a bouquet of flowers. In Corel's PaintShop, there is an app where you can take a rectangular photo and make it circular and choose your background colour. After doing that, I did my usual post processing: sharpen, contrast, vibrancy.


Thank you dalematt. You have offered an idea that might work. I'll look into this.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:36:04   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
OldEarl wrote:
As I recall each college faculty has its own governance. Unlike American schools, there is no central administration that prescribes a curriculum--that is up to the college.

It is what it is and his students cannot change the rules. Twenty years ago when we used film and processed it there were options available such as litho or contrast that simulated line drawings.

Maybe it is my history in oils and sketches--I ended up studying photography because my essential tremor kept me out of painting and architecture--but the challenge is intriguing. This sort of challenge is precisely that, a challenge and Treadwl should present it to the students as such. It is their responsibility to present photography as fine art--to see beyond the barriers of discipline and convince painters.

I have no problem with the "medieval" approach to education--we would have a better society if education did not bend itself to the whims of students and adapt to a less disciplined approach.

Treadwl--

Good luck. It can be done, and your students can do it. If the parameters are a potted plant on a shelf, it is pretty open. Shelves can be anywhere. Let the students loose. Remember we paint with light.
As I recall each college faculty has its own gover... (show quote)


Old Earl--you are dead on. What you say is what I'm preaching and trying to get them to understand. Sadly, too many of them are not very creative and are very literal. But we are working on the approach. They are used to getting their way and having things change to suit them---these examiners are not that forgiving and it is a shock to the students.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:38:11   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
mborn wrote:
I would have then use Topaz plug ins Glow, Impression etc can be very creative


Thank you mborn. I have looked into this program already.

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Jan 11, 2015 09:43:19   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Yes, it is just a vase on a shelf. And it is clear that it's a combination of composition and lighting, but without lighting there aren't many variables in the composition. To add creativity, you have to address lighting. Get the flowers and shelf into a studio with lots of lighting options.

I also suggest that part of the submission would be a picture/illustration/exposition on the lighting as well. Just to help show what the creative aspects are.

On the other hand, does it matter that they downgrade because it is a photograph? Do you have leeway to normalize their grade over your class; just inflate the grades uniformly.
Yes, it is just a vase on a shelf. And it is clea... (show quote)




This is largely what I've done. That is bring the flowers into the class and work with lighting techniques. I offered this to the Hoggers to see if anyone would come up with ideas that we have not already tried. We have tried all types of light painting and studio lighting.

As for the grading suggestion. We have no control. They give a grade we must accept it. We are trying to earn a diploma from them. If they do not give the project a passing grade we do not get the diploma from them. I cannot inflate or adjust the grade in any way.

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