Russian shoot down of Malasia jet?
Jul 18, 2014 15:50:27 #
wj cody wrote:
fair question.
what we could have done, and didn't, was believe Michael Gorbachev when he stated he wanted to invoke fundamental change in the then Soviet Union. Margaret Thatcher, interestingly enough, counseled him against reuniting Germany - she believed it would eclipse Great Britain as leader of western europe.
we, in the United States, in our geographic isolation are fortunate in that way. we had only one civil war, though we still have not resolved that.
what we could have done, and didn't, was believe Michael Gorbachev when he stated he wanted to invoke fundamental change in the then Soviet Union. Margaret Thatcher, interestingly enough, counseled him against reuniting Germany - she believed it would eclipse Great Britain as leader of western europe.
we, in the United States, in our geographic isolation are fortunate in that way. we had only one civil war, though we still have not resolved that.
I have a number of German friends who also thought it was a bad idea at the time. I was in Germany around that time.
We have made a great number of mistakes in our foreign policy. I think that the one theme running throughout is the failure to understand the proper use of force. This failure has given us Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. The only truly effective uses of force since WWII, were Grenada, and Desert Storm. These were both characterized by limitation of mission, overwhelming force, and swift conclusion at stated mission's accomplishment. A lot can be learned by studying these engagements.
Jul 18, 2014 15:52:40 #
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Jul 18, 2014 15:57:23 #
bodacious wrote:
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Thank you but I'm not to protective of our President. My point to you was one man cannot make all the changes that you allude to. I am as hard on the president as others are, with one exception and you fail on any level to understand this. I have the ability to read and process the real facts and this information does not come from any TV station or your favorite political internet station.
Why not try to read the congressional record of who votes for what. Read the congressional record and you will see just how ridiculous things have been. What congressional offices have ties to big business. I hate to tell you this, but congress is not doing the job we elected them to and it makes no difference if its a democrat or republican.
As I said before, read the congressional voting record.
Jul 18, 2014 15:57:50 #
usnpilot wrote:
Not since Vietnam has this Country been so divided. Until we establish term limits, eliminate lobbyists, and fix the tax code by eliminating all the loop holes will we even have a chance at bringing this Country back to where it once was. The odds of those items occurring are very long indeed.
I do agree with your statement but I would like to see a flat tax of some kind so as to eliminate the IRS altogether. Then we can start to downsize our government by eliminating all the duplicate organizations and stopping the financing of independent private groups, organizations and corporations by tax payers. Just a start for the conversion of the US back to what she used to be when we were a free nation.
Jul 18, 2014 16:01:02 #
1philp wrote:
Thank you but I'm not to protective of our Preside... (show quote)
I am from WA state and it is common knowledge Patty Murray is nothing more than a lobbyist factory!
Jul 18, 2014 16:01:22 #
idaholover wrote:
And at the same time they ridicule us for debating amongst our selves.
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Honestly I was only joking when I wrote RACIST to a previous reply you made. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jul 18, 2014 16:01:28 #
bodacious wrote:
I do agree with your statement but I would like to see a flat tax of some kind so as to eliminate the IRS altogether. Then we can start to downsize our government by eliminating all the duplicate organizations and stopping the financing of independent private groups, organizations and corporations by tax payers. Just a start for the conversion of the US back to what she used to be when we were a free nation.
Agreed, and a flat tax would help eliminate the lobbyists
Jul 18, 2014 16:04:12 #
idaholover wrote:
And at the same time they ridicule us for debating amongst our selves.
Understandable. Debate is dangerous to the collective, which depends on conformity. However our system is built on debate. I am always amused by the lament of the liberals that we can't all work together. Our system is a system of checks and balances. Have you ever seen a balance? How can you have balance if everything is on the same side? Everybody on the same side is called TYRANNY.
Jul 18, 2014 16:09:28 #
bodacious wrote:
I do agree with your statement but I would like to see a flat tax of some kind so as to eliminate the IRS altogether. Then we can start to downsize our government by eliminating all the duplicate organizations and stopping the financing of independent private groups, organizations and corporations by tax payers. Just a start for the conversion of the US back to what she used to be when we were a free nation.
Ben Carson had the answer to this. People retire every day. Just don't replace anyone in government employ who retires. This way you will just whittle down the size of all those bloated agencies naturally, by attrition. Might have to move 'em around a little and close some of 'em up as they slim down.
Jul 18, 2014 16:11:35 #
CatMarley wrote:
Ben Carson had the answer to this. People retire every day. Just don't replace anyone in government employ who retires. This way you will just whittle down the size of all those bloated agencies naturally, by attrition. Might have to move 'em around a little and close some of 'em up as they slim down.
I like it.
Jul 18, 2014 16:22:01 #
I'm sure the U.S. will provide technical data to the interested country(s) that will lead the investigation. General Barry McCaffery (retired) discussed that very subject last evening on TV. The U.S. would not be the lead simply because the aircraft was not ours and was flying over international territory, but we will be able to identify the tracks, electronic data, etc.
idaholover wrote:
I don't doubt the truth to that. In your professional opinion, who should take the lead in this investigation?http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/18/malaysia-plane-ukraine-debris-field-scene/12827931/
Jul 18, 2014 16:23:05 #
bodacious wrote:
Why would you notify UHH about yourself, sounds self incriminating.
When did I EVER stalk anybody? Try to answer this, don't throw out insults and call names. Name me the thread. If you're accusing someone of something, have the guts to carry through or don't type something that you know is wrong. Name one time I have ever stalked anyone. This does not mean disagreeing with you, this means going to another thread that you do not care about and only light into someone else. I dare you. Stop posting untruths unless and until you can back them up.
Jul 18, 2014 16:23:54 #
Hi Cat, how can you type liberal/Scholars one after the other?
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CatMarley wrote:
Do you consider that remark witty? Our President ... (show quote)
Jul 18, 2014 16:26:05 #
bodacious wrote:
No I do not think Idaho has any intention of hi-jacking anything. He is politely trying to inform you to stay on target as you are attempting to hi-jack or change direction of yet another discussion here once again. Like he said, Please Stay on Message.
I was on message, you reread the thread and you'll see that Ida had gone way off topic...for one reason, to insult me. This doesn't promote discussion.
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