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Defining the "Green Zone"in photography, by using Ayn Rand's rules for all complete definitions.
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May 24, 2023 19:10:47   #
Shooter41 Loc: Wichita, KS
 
All of my definitions must explain the genus and the differentia of any concept I define. My genus's óf any given concept being defined explains what group a given concept falls into. My differentiae of any given concept being defined separates out the concept from all others in their group.
The genus of the photographic concept "Green Zone" is a photographic technique that narrows the digital range of exposure of a given image to the middle range to afford the most detail possible to the number of pixels recorded.
The differentia of the photographic concept "Green Zone" involves,
(1) placing your modern camera on full auto whereby the camera chooses the ideal aperture, shutter speed and ISO for a given location and lighting situation to maximize details.
(2) adding additional light making the finest detail possible through techniques like fill flash in order to be able to create images at a low ISO to avoid digital "noise" that distracts from enjoying fine details.
(3) always recording images in RAW files as opposed to JPEG etc. so as to capture the maximum number of pixels available for a given exposure range to allow maximum capturing of the image details available to edit with a program like Photoshop or Lightroom.
Shooter41

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May 24, 2023 19:51:43   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Shooter41 wrote:
All of my definitions must explain the genus and the differentia of any concept I define. My genus's óf any given concept being defined explains what group a given concept falls into. My differentiae of any given concept being defined separates out the concept from all others in their group.
The genus of the photographic concept "Green Zone" is a photographic technique that narrows the digital range of exposure of a given image to the middle range to afford the most detail possible to the number of pixels recorded.
The differentia of the photographic concept "Green Zone" involves,
(1) placing your modern camera on full auto whereby the camera chooses the ideal aperture, shutter speed and ISO for a given location and lighting situation to maximize details.
(2) adding additional light making the finest detail possible through techniques like fill flash in order to be able to create images at a low ISO to avoid digital "noise" that distracts from enjoying fine details.
(3) always recording images in RAW files as opposed to JPEG etc. so as to capture the maximum number of pixels available for a given exposure range to allow maximum capturing of the image details available to edit with a program like Photoshop or Lightroom.
Shooter41
All of my definitions must explain the genus and t... (show quote)


?

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May 24, 2023 20:05:21   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you let the camera take all photos in full auto mode and assume that it is always correct for the scene. Then you adjust everything in P P to correct for your vision of the scene ? I and many other photographers prefer to shoot the scene as closely to the correct exposure by using all the controls available on the camera prior to making the final exposure. We therefore minimize any PP if needed at all. Yes, you will always get an image in Full Auto but it may not be the best possible image.

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May 24, 2023 20:36:02   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
ORpilot wrote:
correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you let the camera take all photos in full auto mode and assume that it is always correct for the scene. Then you adjust everything in P P to correct for your vision of the scene ? I and many other photographers prefer to shoot the scene as closely to the correct exposure by using all the controls available on the camera prior to making the final exposure. We therefore minimize any PP if needed at all. Yes, you will always get an image in Full Auto but it may not be the best possible image.
correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you l... (show quote)



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May 24, 2023 21:00:56   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
I agree with ORPilot.

I am the photographer, I make the decisions that will create the outcome I want for the photo. The camera doesn't read my mind; it doesn't know how much depth of field I want or how fast or slow I want the shutter speed for the action. If the camera is making the choices then it's not going to give the results I want.

Utilizing Auto, Shutter Priority or Aperture Priority can be a great assist but the camera should not be in control. It is the tool we are the artist.

Also, I don't want to spend hours on a computer trying to correct what I could have done with the camera.

Dodie

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May 24, 2023 21:18:12   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
ORpilot wrote:
correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you let the camera take all photos in full auto mode and assume that it is always correct for the scene. Then you adjust everything in P P to correct for your vision of the scene ? I and many other photographers prefer to shoot the scene as closely to the correct exposure by using all the controls available on the camera prior to making the final exposure. We therefore minimize any PP if needed at all. Yes, you will always get an image in Full Auto but it may not be the best possible image.
correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you l... (show quote)


Agreed

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May 24, 2023 21:30:00   #
jcboy3
 
Shooter41 wrote:
All of my definitions must explain the genus and the differentia of any concept I define. My genus's óf any given concept being defined explains what group a given concept falls into. My differentiae of any given concept being defined separates out the concept from all others in their group.
The genus of the photographic concept "Green Zone" is a photographic technique that narrows the digital range of exposure of a given image to the middle range to afford the most detail possible to the number of pixels recorded.
The differentia of the photographic concept "Green Zone" involves,
(1) placing your modern camera on full auto whereby the camera chooses the ideal aperture, shutter speed and ISO for a given location and lighting situation to maximize details.
(2) adding additional light making the finest detail possible through techniques like fill flash in order to be able to create images at a low ISO to avoid digital "noise" that distracts from enjoying fine details.
(3) always recording images in RAW files as opposed to JPEG etc. so as to capture the maximum number of pixels available for a given exposure range to allow maximum capturing of the image details available to edit with a program like Photoshop or Lightroom.
Shooter41
All of my definitions must explain the genus and t... (show quote)


Luckily, we have other sources of information.

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May 24, 2023 22:11:30   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Shooter41 wrote:
All of my definitions must explain the genus and the differentia of any concept I define. My genus's óf any given concept being defined explains what group a given concept falls into. My differentiae of any given concept being defined separates out the concept from all others in their group.
The genus of the photographic concept "Green Zone" is a photographic technique that narrows the digital range of exposure of a given image to the middle range to afford the most detail possible to the number of pixels recorded.
The differentia of the photographic concept "Green Zone" involves,
(1) placing your modern camera on full auto whereby the camera chooses the ideal aperture, shutter speed and ISO for a given location and lighting situation to maximize details.
(2) adding additional light making the finest detail possible through techniques like fill flash in order to be able to create images at a low ISO to avoid digital "noise" that distracts from enjoying fine details.
(3) always recording images in RAW files as opposed to JPEG etc. so as to capture the maximum number of pixels available for a given exposure range to allow maximum capturing of the image details available to edit with a program like Photoshop or Lightroom.
Shooter41
All of my definitions must explain the genus and t... (show quote)


Get over yourself!!

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May 24, 2023 22:27:15   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Shooter41 wrote:
All of my definitions must explain the genus and the differentia of any concept I define. My genus's óf any given concept being defined explains what group a given concept falls into. My differentiae of any given concept being defined separates out the concept from all others in their group.
The genus of the photographic concept "Green Zone" is a photographic technique that narrows the digital range of exposure of a given image to the middle range to afford the most detail possible to the number of pixels recorded.
The differentia of the photographic concept "Green Zone" involves,
(1) placing your modern camera on full auto whereby the camera chooses the ideal aperture, shutter speed and ISO for a given location and lighting situation to maximize details.
(2) adding additional light making the finest detail possible through techniques like fill flash in order to be able to create images at a low ISO to avoid digital "noise" that distracts from enjoying fine details.
(3) always recording images in RAW files as opposed to JPEG etc. so as to capture the maximum number of pixels available for a given exposure range to allow maximum capturing of the image details available to edit with a program like Photoshop or Lightroom.
Shooter41
All of my definitions must explain the genus and t... (show quote)


HUH?

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May 24, 2023 22:57:28   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Shooter41 wrote:
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Please do not abuse the moonshine before posting. In these days, the moonshine might take you to court for giving it a bad name.

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May 24, 2023 23:00:10   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
One can almost imagine a camera in the not too distant future where "P" for pro mode will evolve into "P-AI" for pro AI mode and AI will take care of everything else... Actually P does a pretty darn good job now... P is adjustable and we can spin the little dial to set up DOF and shutter speed. I think what the OP was trying to say is going to be inevitable in the future and our entire photographic workflow is going to evolve into something we cannot even imagine at this point.

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May 25, 2023 00:12:52   #
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ORpilot wrote:
correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you let the camera take all photos in full auto mode and assume that it is always correct for the scene. Then you adjust everything in P P to correct for your vision of the scene ? I and many other photographers prefer to shoot the scene as closely to the correct exposure by using all the controls available on the camera prior to making the final exposure. We therefore minimize any PP if needed at all. Yes, you will always get an image in Full Auto but it may not be the best possible image.
correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you l... (show quote)

You clearly have no clue about black cats in coal bins or the many other equivalent imaging challenges.

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May 25, 2023 00:35:31   #
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Shooter41 wrote:
All of my definitions must explain the genus and the differentia of any concept I define. My genus's óf any given concept being defined explains what group a given concept falls into. My differentiae of any given concept being defined separates out the concept from all others in their group.
The genus of the photographic concept "Green Zone" is a photographic technique that narrows the digital range of exposure of a given image to the middle range to afford the most detail possible to the number of pixels recorded.
The differentia of the photographic concept "Green Zone" involves,
(1) placing your modern camera on full auto whereby the camera chooses the ideal aperture, shutter speed and ISO for a given location and lighting situation to maximize details.
(2) adding additional light making the finest detail possible through techniques like fill flash in order to be able to create images at a low ISO to avoid digital "noise" that distracts from enjoying fine details.
(3) always recording images in RAW files as opposed to JPEG etc. so as to capture the maximum number of pixels available for a given exposure range to allow maximum capturing of the image details available to edit with a program like Photoshop or Lightroom.
Shooter41
All of my definitions must explain the genus and t... (show quote)

"Number of pixels" ? "Raw as opposed to jpeg" ? "Green zone is a technique" ? etc etc etc. Toadall gobbeldegook, a post that couldve been written by an AI bot thaz having a bad hair day.

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May 25, 2023 01:40:14   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
Gobbledygook is putting it mildly. Furthermore, surrendering control to the machine/camera completely contradicts Ayn Rand's objectivist ideals of man/photographer as heroic being who seeks his moral fulfillment in egotistical self-aggrandizement. If you know nothing about photography, please get at least your "philosophers" right.

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May 25, 2023 04:09:21   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
Yes.

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