blackest wrote:
Hi anyone using this camera?
Seems to be a pretty reasonable aps C camera for the price along with some reasonable video modes. i'm kinda tempted but it will not be my only camera, I already have ef-to m mount adapter as well as m42 and pk mount so i have quite a few lenses that should work well including the sigma art 18-35 the classic helios 58mm f2 and others.
It seems to be the best m series canon
what do you think
If you want a built-in viewfinder, the 24MP M50 Mark II is the current best model Canon offers in APS-C. But you might wait a couple weeks because there are rampant rumors that Canon is about to announce an "R10".
The 32.5MP M6 Mark II is more expensive and doesn't have a built-in viewfinder (an accessory EVF is sold separately), but in addition to the higher resolution sensor has a faster continuous frame rate (14 fps vs 10 fps), a more advanced AF system (incl. focus bracketing, focus stacking) and Canon's excellent "Anti Flicker" feature which largely solves common exposure issues under fluorescent and similar lighting. The M50II doesn't have Anti Flicker.
There also is the less expensive M200, which doesn't have a built in viewfinder and cannot be fitted with the separately sold one.
The M50/M50II have been one of Canon's top selling models... It is extremely popular among "vloggers" as an easy to use camera that produces good results.
The biggest weakness of the entire M-series (I have an older M5 myself) is the lack of lenses. Canon has only ever produced eight lenses for the system. Their emphasis has been on keeping the lenses very compact, to complement the very small size of the cameras themselves. I added an L-bracket to my M5 because it just felt "too small" to me, probably because of my many years as a full-size DSLR and SLR user.
There also are relatively few third party lenses made for the system. The vast majority are manual focus/manual aperture and relatively low cost. I use a 12mm wide angle that's one of those. (The only EF-M that's very wide is an 11-22mm zoom, which isn't what I wanted. I am happy with the 12mm f/2.8.
I tried using several more manual focus/manual aperture lenses, including a 23mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.1 (mildly wide and short telephoto). They had excellent "old school" feel, very solid build and fine image quality... but I struggled a bit with the manual focus and aperture for some of my purposes (such as street photography). I used manual focus lenses for 30 years... but guess I've gotten dependent on autofocus!
A fourth manual focus lens I used initially was an older Tamron 90mm macro. This has an interchangeable mounting system that was discontinued sometime in the 1980s... but the mounts are still being made, even in newer types such as the EF-M. There were a number of different models of those Tamron "Adaptall" lenses, some of which were truly excellent "pro" quality in their day. This gave me a moderate telephoto with close-up capabilities, but I once again struggled with the manual focus.
As a result I've bought the Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM (a neat, very small lens), Sigma 56mm f/1.4 DN and have adapted a Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM and have just started shooting with those, all of which offer autofocus. I also picked up a couple macro extension tubes to allow the 56mm and 85mm to focus a bit closer.
Sigma offers three very nice lenses for the M-series: 16mm f/1.4, 30mm f/1.4 and 56mm f/1.4. Of those only the last interested me. But the other two have gotten rave reviews too.
Viltrox is the only other company offering autofocus lenses for the M-series. Their 23mm f/1.4, 33mm f/1.4 and 56mm f/1.4 all have also gotten very favorable reviews. I seriously considered them, but for Canon EF-M they are only offered in silver, which I didn't want for an unobtrusive street camera. They'd look great on the chrome version of some of the cameras, but weren't what I wanted for my M5 (which AFAIK was only offered in black). I had hoped that Viltrox would eventually begin to offer the 85mm lens they make for other mounts, but now an doubting that will ever happen.
Most of the Canon EF-M lenses are zooms, all are autofocus (though only STM... no USM or Nano USM), and some have IS. The only Canon EF-M primes are the 22mm f/2 I use, a 28mm f/3.5 IS Macro with built in ring lite, and a 32mm f/1.4. I heard and think it's true that Canon self-imposed a maximum filter size of 49mm on their lenses (my 12mm lens uses 72mm... 22mm lens uses 43mm... 56mm lens uses 55mm... and 85mm lens uses 58mm!).
The longest autofocus lens for EF-M is Canon's 55-200mm f.4.5-6.3 zoom.
Once you have the small camera in hand it makes some sense that they don't offer particularly long telephotos and have worked keep the lenses relatively small. Too big or heavy a lens simply feels awkward on the M-series cameras.
The operating system or firmware of the M-series seems more similar to Canon's Powershot G-series cameras than to their DSLR's. Some have commented that the M-series cameras feel like Powershots with interchangeable lenses... though that is a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion. The later M-series models have a number of unique features.
We know Canon is gradually phasing out the EF-mount DSLRs and lenses, in favor of the new RF-mount mirrorless. That's where their R&D is going and where they are introducing new products at a rapid pace. Nothing new is expected for the EF-mount system... or for the EF-M, which hasn't seen a new product in almost two years now. A lot of us long-time Canon users are fully expecting that the company will consolidate everything under the new RF-mount and eventually sunset the other two systems. It simply makes little business sense to continue to offer parallel and only partially cross-compatible systems.
Of course, this will mean bargain prices on EF/EF-S and EF-M cameras and lenses... as more and more users migrate the new system. And it's not like the EF-M cameras and lenses are going to suddenly stop working. On the other hand, it's not a system that's likely to still be supported 5 or 10 years from now (not that Canon has ever supported it very well).
APS-C R10, R7 and two new lenses expected in late May:
https://www.canonrumors.com/here-is-what-canon-is-announcing-next-including-the-eos-r7-eos-r10-and-rf-s-lenses-cr3/Rumored R10 specifications:
https://www.canonrumors.com/here-are-a-few-canon-eos-r10-specifications-cr3/Rumored R7 specification:
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r7-specifications-cr3/Canon Rumors website's "CR3" designation indicates a pretty solid rumor from trusted sources.
All that said, I don't want to come off too negative about the M-series. I really like my M5 and the four lenses I'm using with it. It's a very nice, compact camera and entirewhole kit including those lenses, other accessories and shoulder bag weighs less than one of my DSLRs with a 24-70mm lens attached! It's perfect for street, travel, candid portraiture and a few other things. I keep my DLSRs for sports/action, wildlife, etc. I'll eventually migrate from those to mirrorless, too.