MtnMan Loc: ID

:lol:

I agree. That is what I did over the last year with similar results. Still plenty to learn but now I know a lot more about what I don't know.

It causes GAS.

I tried retirement the first part of this year. I flunked out miserably and now have two jobs. The proceeds fund my newly contracted GAS.

rts2568

From rts2568

A good lesson for all Take 5
I'd like to believe that everone in UHH could learn the same but when I have tried to help others improve their shots by returning corrected images and make suggestions about improving, which is what UHH should be about, helping each other do better photography, but no, some of them complain because they think they've done it the best, even though they are 'otherwise' images. The short sighted Admin has told me off and warned me not to help other users this way but they can't even follow their own rules and not delete a link - they deleted my reply to them almost as soon as I'd written to them - which included their warning notice.
The only thing this tells me about most of the people in UHH is that they aren't interested so much in improving their photography, imagery and technique, just showing off whatever it is they've taken and expect it is perfect because they bought the latest gear, so their results, just must be perfect. Let's see what the response from this feedback is, I suggest it will bring the 'lay-on-the-couch-brigade' to an upright and indignant pose. We'll see!
Good for you thouh Take 5, so many things can be learned easily and by little more than a few basic instructions, examples and practice and I'm glad to hear you at least have gone this route and are getting some real satisfaction from your photography.
There is still such a gap between the basic P&S'er and those who want to get the best photograph possible with the gear they have and will not be too inhibitively proud to learn from others - that's what this site should be all about but this is clearly not what Admin cares about! Shame really, because so much could be achieved from so many capable photo takers' feedback. Their are so many worthy contributers on here, that I've seen demonstrated in image and competent advice and not all of them, with the top gear or, expecting their camera should do the work for them, as too many do.
Congratulations for doing something about getting the best out of yourself and your gear.

rts2568

Take 5 Cinema Loc: Canoe BC

It is called a workaround with a grin on your face!

RMM Loc: Suburban New York

Not sure why the Admin removed your responses, but the rules of the forums say that you shouldn't alter anyone's images without getting their permission first. Sometimes, that's annoying, especially when you see a quick and easy fix, but them's the rules. Most people will give you permission, but the delay can be annoying. I've done alterations from time to time and just left them in a folder on the Desktop until someone got back to me with the "OK."

rts2568

Thanks for that and yes, I knew that but just don't have the time to mess around with that kind of delay or that sort of time wasting management to ensure I can back flip to the advice I'd given or wanted to advise about. My advice to admin is that they put into the rules, that if anyone submits a photo to UHH then they should be open to constructive advice given; or anicipate returned images showing suggestions for improvement. That's what a site like this is all about, learning to improve or to demonstrate to those who don't know, how to improve their photography or how to get it right. If they are too inhibitively proud to have a suggestion made about their image submissions then don't submit in the first place - take them instead to a photo competition and get their kicks that way.
When a photo from someone else, whether in a Photographic shop or a friend or relatives' house where well endowed photographers are, then those well endowed photographers, if they were worth their salt would make suggestions on the spot, when needed or otherwise give praise for well done photos or demonstrated skills.
That should be a rule of entry to the likes of UHH! If someone can't take constructive feedback, then they have no place on a photographic improvement site; in my opinion anyway.

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leatherhelmets Loc: Center Conway, NH

In defense of UHH...there's a Photo Analysis section that folks can use to get critiqued. When I joined the group that did not exist. While some of us think we should all want to continuously improve...some members take pictures and just wnat to share them. Offer your help and if it's wnated then by all means give it. If not, try to say something nice and move on.

This is a public site and there is a diverse membership who should all be respected. I commend your effort to help artists improve.

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Well put, Leatherhelmets. And congratulations on starting such a good thread.

rts2568

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From rts2568

“…I commend your effort to help artists improve…” Thanks for that leatherhelmets; that’s thanks rarely heard, but that’s twice today, I must be improving. I’ve been doing so (helping others to create better images) for the best part of fifty years and in the main, responses have been positive, simply because they want to take better artistic or skillful photographs; or both and they always want to improve because they want to be proud of their results with good reason and, that they can be fairly confident in their own work to give value to the eyes of others. Such ‘artists’ newbies or ancients with any sort of equipment, will always look for some form of praise for their work, whether that be a direct, well meaning compliment from someone, or whether that praise comes in the form of friendly, helpful, constructive advice or comment from their peers. For such artists then, their intelligence helps them realize that if their photo imagery has caught the attention of someone familiar in the photography field, then that attention, in itself, is complimentary, surely? If they can’t understand that, then they need help in other fields outside of photography, I’d suggest – but that’s only my opinion, you may disagree of course? And etc…

Some don’t like being advised that they can do better of course because they are too often, indignantly self-conscious – most of whom, in the long run don’t usually remain so for long and will often then seek advice from advisers they have learnt to trust, who have given them useful advice in that direction. Mostly, such artists are just embarrassed or unnecessarily self conscious because they believe they should know how to do better without being told. This is an unfortunate syndrome that usually can be easily overcome however, but will not be overcome if they are just given “thank you for your lovely photo” or “Isn’t this great” or “what lovely colours” or “oh, isn’t that just the loveliest little baby or dog or cat or bird etc”; etc, when very often these comments are as misleading as they could be if given, to intentionally mislead or deflate. Any one of the contributing image submitters in this category who have signed on to the likes of UHH; I suggest, are in this category and if not confident enough to ask, will usually appreciate the advice they are given anyway. Such people will usually learn from such advice or suggestion, even if they can’t say thanks. I’ve never been one to ask for thanks. This is very misleading if that is what use of this site is all about. Expecting praise of effort isn’t what I’m about, I’m about helping others to better themselves – that is, if I think they are worth spending the time and effort on and if, I see a photograph that is worth a merit badge but isn’t up to scratch nonetheless, we have all had to start somewhere, after all; then I will offer help if I have the time.

There are other categories that purported “photographers” fall into of course, primarily that group who have little or no empathy for others, are so narcissistically self involved that they just won’t accept that they could learn from anyone! This category is particularly shown up in that group of photographers who claim to be and who too often practice as wedding photographers. There are good, responsible Wedding Photographers of course, who have been well trained and experienced who will always continue to learn selflessly, but this field is far too easy to slip into by persons with little or no training or experience. This scourge of self claimed ‘professional photographer’, cause the word “photographer” to be doubted and questionable. There are other groups of narcissistic practitioners who contribute to this generalized attitude of course, those thoughtless practitioners who contribute a slur on all genuine photographers who are in contrast, sufficiently empathetic to others needs for excellence. There are far too many ‘groups’ of photographers who are constantly in defence mode – fairly easy to identify, but not always until after an event and that event scenario is too often one of suffering and regret by the victims of such like photographers.

You pointed out Leatherhelmets, that UHH “…is a public site…” well of course it is, otherwise this site would simply not exist as such. I can’t be the mouth for other UHHers here, but my suggestion is that people, learners, experienced photographers or otherwise either view the UHH site remotely (from the purely ‘PUBLIC’ platform (where I spent the first two months of my viewing experiences from)) or, join this site to observe and to learn or to contribute. Most of whom I’ve experienced on this site, in the few short weeks since I signed on, do so in a positive and encouraging manner – I emphasize ‘most’. You have been a member of UHH for much longer of course and just perhaps you know better, I bow to your superior experiences as such, though don’t expect me to accept your contention that helping to improve other members contributions, has somehow threatened or contributed to disrespect of their graphic submissions, or etc. I’d like to continue to believe that like me, they all have something to learn which may have remained outside of their photographic experiences or where they just want to learn because they see photography around them, a standard of which they would like to aspire to, even when they don’t know the questions to ask for that right kind of advice – those questions are, from my point of view anyway, inherent in their submitting an image in the first place – with the ‘only exception’, I once again suggest; of when the image is clearly and purely uploaded for the purpose of illustrating a specific point, as advice or feedback to a question. No disrespect can, or should ever be assumed for such selfless advice and all who enter into this club of ‘learners(?)’ should be prepared to accept that, otherwise stay out there on the viewing platform only. Maybe you would like to correct my mistaken assumption in the above because I can assure you that I joined to learn, because I know I can. At no time will I ever be indignantly embarrassed or be so selfish, as to report someone to this shortsighted admin for those selfless efforts and time that is/are clearly, well meaning? Those who have put some effort to give some sort of encouragement towards improving their image production, should be the ones who deserve the thanks. Under this kind of structure, only gains would be seen. To suggest that those who are in help mode, should feel embarrassed or self doubting because they have helped some fellow UHH member, is just ridiculous logic!

There have been three unpermitted image feedbacks that to the best of my judgment, based on the comments that accompanied and also since my admonishment from Admin, suggests that there are multiple standards here. Perhaps you or someone else could fill me in, as to how anyone here, graduates to one level, or the other?

Perhaps too, someone could fill me in about: when UHH admin issues a warning, receives a reply and then very quickly deletes that response, also has me confused about the integrity of the Admin as such – anyone got an answer to that? I’m sure your longevity on this site Leatherhelmets, will allow you to give a useful answer/s to the above?

Another question you have left me to ask Leatherhelmets, is the “…section…” you refer to. I am only privy to the following ‘sections’ in the Ugly Hedgehog photography forum :

1- Main (Various Photography Discussions)
2- General Chit-Chat (non-Photography Talk)
3- Photo Gallery: Show your pics for critique, general advice, or just for fun.
4- Classifieds
5- Introduce Yourself
6- Links and Resources

The rather specific “…Photo Analysis section…” you refer to doesn’t exist on my supplied site information headings. Could you enlighten me, and others no doubt, as to how I/we obtain permission to see this part of the UHH site? Do I have to be onsite as a member like you, for more than a year perhaps?

You might be inferring of course that ‘1-‘ is this section you refer to under a different name/title and that would seem to be a logical enough section. But of course this can’t be the ‘section because this section is clearly one that encourages general feedback and anyone submitting an image in this section would never be anything other than thankful for any helpful, encouraging and constructive feedback?

Of course section ‘2-‘ can’t be the section you refer to because that clearly defines “non-Photography Talk”! No one can mistake that one; even someone like myself who has only been on this site for about four weeks – a very inexperienced member indeed. The
‘4-‘th section/heading would appear to be out of contention as well, as with section heading ‘6-‘?

Section ‘5-‘ leaves itself open for some feedback of course, if accompanied by image/s and does receive some encouraging/welcoming responses. But this is fairly clearly not the section you refer to either, not in my limited understanding of what you refer to anyway.

Section ‘3-‘ perhaps? “Show your pics for critique, general advice, or just for fun” Well, no either as the specifics quoted for this section too, seems to lack that specific function you seem to imply exists, for the benefit of UHHers in search specifically, for criticism.

So, the next section can only be the “…Photo Analysis section…” you specifically referred to and it sounds like a very worthy section for learners’ questions; perhaps alongside section ‘1-‘ and/or ‘3-‘; complimentarywith it? The specific section will probably be attended by experts in their field perhaps, as contrasted to section ‘1-‘ &’3’s title differences? And I say this even though in my short experience there are a plentiful supply of experts anyway, selfless with their time and efforts and encouragements even. But this ‘7’th section is blank on my “Ugly Hedgehog photography forum” which is supplied to me each day. Do I need to ask Admin about this perhaps? I’d be thankful for your advice on this matter Leatherhelmets, or anyone else out there who knows of this section and knows how to access it, submit questions to it or submit an image that fails for what ever reason, that the photographer can’t fathom or understand.

Thanks and gratitude for any constructive advice on the above matters

rts2568

leatherhelmets Loc: Center Conway, NH

Thanks R.G. I'm really happy with the response the question got. I've found the replies interesting and I've learned that I'm a lot like most photographers in some ways and we're all very different in many others. Thats what makes it so great.

RMM Loc: Suburban New York

rts2568, if you go to the main page, there is a list of forums. Click on All Sections and you can subscribe or unsubscribe to whatever sections you want.

rts2568

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Thanks muchly for that RMM. I'm still too new to this site. I haven't seen this "main Page", probably since I joined last month because I'm kept too occupied with those emails that are keeping me up to date with the general flow. I'll sign up accordingly.

Thanks again, that is a lot of help.

rts2568

leatherhelmets Loc: Center Conway, NH

Hey RMM. I've been here a year and I didn't realize you need to subscribe and unsubscribe through the All Sections option. I learned something new.

Thanks a lot.

Mudshark Loc: Illinois

"I tried retirement the first part of this year. I flunked out miserably and now have two jobs. The proceeds fund my newly contracted GAS."

I' ve been tired for years... don't know why I would want to retire...
The wife claims I suffer from TF (Terminal Flatulence) so I don't need to spend anything on GAS either.........

RMM Loc: Suburban New York

rts2568 and leatherhelmets, you're welcome. Mudshark, there is no such thing as GAS relief. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

Depends on where I am - could be between 20 and 150 pictures out of which probably 90% will be kept but perhaps 10-15% favorites.

With film I had to be careful with what I took so I would miss many shots so that I had enough film to take me through the day. Now, with memory cards having more and more capacity at low price I am free to experiment with settings, automatic bracketing and all the other tricks.
When I started there was no such thing as a zoom lens and when they did come out they were prohibitively expensive - choose between a zoom lens or a new car - so only for the professionals.

Film was good at the time but I would not choose to go back to it now. I really couldn't be bothered now to black out a room and mix all the chemicals for processing and getting the temperatures right, then all the clearing up - apart from the cost of chemicals and paper.

I ran Digital together with film for a few years but less and less film. Now I am going to finally sell all my film cameras except for the Cokin filters - perhaps a decade late for a good price - and never look back.

What is good - I can see my pictures as soon as I take them and can play about with them on the computer to experiment even further. I like the fantastic range of control and virtually unlimited number of pictures I can take.

What is not good - batteries failing just when you want them and finding the spare set has also gone flat. People giving all the control to the camera and not taking it out of Auto.

The worst is, I don't think I will ever get used to seeing people holding a camera at arms length to take a picture - it's so unnatural and I would never purchase a camera without a viewfinder!