So who uses RAW 100% of the time
Oct 2, 2012 00:23:07 #
What I love here is:
RAW 12-14 bits JPG 8 bits
Translates to:
Billions of colors vs. 24 millions
Now:
RAW 6 stops in range JPG 2 stops
Also:
RAW: accepted as forensic picture
JPG: Nope.
Finally, there is one more thing:
RAW is much larger, flexible and cannot be modfied (but deleted)
For the use of it:
RAW is not for common folks but only those who know what they are doing in post processing. Just look at the exposure range and the color depth. Note that the color space is set by the camera not the format so if you want the best you might want to select RGB vs sRGB but this another can of worm.
RAW vs JPG? Apple vs Orange, select your poison or better yet, mix it. There is no right answer.
Personally I shoot 100% RAW and JPG fine, that way if want instant result I have it and if I want the full flexibility needed for post editing, I have it too.
RAW 12-14 bits JPG 8 bits
Translates to:
Billions of colors vs. 24 millions
Now:
RAW 6 stops in range JPG 2 stops
Also:
RAW: accepted as forensic picture
JPG: Nope.
Finally, there is one more thing:
RAW is much larger, flexible and cannot be modfied (but deleted)
For the use of it:
RAW is not for common folks but only those who know what they are doing in post processing. Just look at the exposure range and the color depth. Note that the color space is set by the camera not the format so if you want the best you might want to select RGB vs sRGB but this another can of worm.
RAW vs JPG? Apple vs Orange, select your poison or better yet, mix it. There is no right answer.
Personally I shoot 100% RAW and JPG fine, that way if want instant result I have it and if I want the full flexibility needed for post editing, I have it too.
Oct 2, 2012 00:33:56 #
English_Wolf wrote:
What I love here is: br RAW 12-14 bits JPG 8 bits... (show quote)
No, the color space is NOT set by the camera if you shoot RAW. The color space is determined when you process the RAW image. In Photoshop (Adobe Camera RAW) it is set by you in that little line under the image. You have to select what happens when you click Open Image. In LR it defaults to ProPhoto RGB and then when you export it, you can choose something else if you wish.
A camera knows not about color space unless it is set to shoot a JPG.
Oct 2, 2012 01:05:07 #
today i choose jpeg, my next outing, who knows.my choices,edit the raw file and save it to jpeg, or convert it to tiff and then pp it and save it.
Oct 2, 2012 02:34:10 #
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Oct 2, 2012 05:20:32 #
Love the church. Brilliant clear picture. you can see that it in not HDR as there are not the tones and the look that a HDR tends to get
Oct 2, 2012 07:20:06 #
You make an excellent argument either way. Many people I think, use Raw because they 'Heard it was the best way with the best results'. I use JPEG because I can meter accordingly to get the results I'm looking for, No need to pull details from shadows or to recover highlights. Not to mention my camera is a mini computer and IMO gives me excellent results for the Info given to the camera prior to the shot/metering/WB/shutter speed. I was hoping to be swung to the raw side of the fence, but I'm still here on the JPEG side of the fence,
SOOTC is short for "Straight Out Of The Camera", a common abbreviation amongst photographers, especially those who hate to edit, or choose not to, or are completely inept at editing. I certainly do not want to say that Jpeg shots cannot be excellent, as your image proves.
I do feel that having total control over your interpretation of the raw image that the camera captures is better than letting the camera (or more accurately, the camera's manufacturers) decide how to display white balance, contrast, sharpness, exposure, and saturation in your final image.
Of course you do have some, or even a lot of control over these issues if you know what you are doing. Which is why so many good photographers choose not to use RAW. But I choose to control my images, just as I did in B&W film using the zone system.[/quote]
architect wrote:
fstop22 wrote:
Not sure what SOOTC means. Nice image. Here's one I shot yesterday, cropped to 5 mega pixels because the subject is less than 1/2 inch in length. Simple JPEG. Sorry no recent architecture.
SOOTC is short for "Straight Out Of The Camera", a common abbreviation amongst photographers, especially those who hate to edit, or choose not to, or are completely inept at editing. I certainly do not want to say that Jpeg shots cannot be excellent, as your image proves.
I do feel that having total control over your interpretation of the raw image that the camera captures is better than letting the camera (or more accurately, the camera's manufacturers) decide how to display white balance, contrast, sharpness, exposure, and saturation in your final image.
Of course you do have some, or even a lot of control over these issues if you know what you are doing. Which is why so many good photographers choose not to use RAW. But I choose to control my images, just as I did in B&W film using the zone system.[/quote]
Oct 2, 2012 08:29:30 #
jimberton wrote:
what's a jpeg?
It's the thing you can't fit in a raw hole. :D
Oct 2, 2012 09:41:07 #
tfblack wrote:
Curious to know where subject church is. Terrific architectural detail. (Also a terrific photograph!)
Thank you. This is a church in the backbay portion of Boston. Processed from RAW using Adobe Camera RAW and refined in Photoshop CS5.
Oct 2, 2012 09:42:25 #
CaptainC wrote:
No, the color space is NOT set by the camera if you shoot RAW. The color space is determined when you process the RAW image. In Photoshop (Adobe Camera RAW) it is set by you in that little line under the image. You have to select what happens when you click Open Image. In LR it defaults to ProPhoto RGB and then when you export it, you can choose something else if you wish.
A camera knows not about color space unless it is set to shoot a JPG.
A camera knows not about color space unless it is set to shoot a JPG.
Please do some reading:
http://planetphotoshop.com/camera-raw-color-spaces.html
http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototips/in-camera-color-space-for-raw-shooters.html
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/RAW-file-format.htm
What the RAW file does not take into consideration is the white balance.
One article is a bit misleading as if you can step down to sRB stepping up is not possible as you end up using a sRGB as a RGB. Your post processing start using RGB when you make modification.
Oct 2, 2012 09:55:57 #
I shoot raw most of the time and JPEG for community events and the like which will be posted on social media
Oct 2, 2012 11:51:32 #
I myself shoot RAW 100% of the time with my Canon 7D, I prefer it that way. PP is not that much of an issue for me! I convert to tiff.
Oct 2, 2012 12:20:25 #
jerryc41 wrote:
It's the thing you can't fit in a raw hole. :D
jimberton wrote:
what's a jpeg?
It's the thing you can't fit in a raw hole. :D
ha ha, great !
Oct 2, 2012 13:25:03 #
john merry
Loc: tincan bay qeensland aus
this is a fantastic photo of the church maybe sometime in the future we will be able buy a digital camara that can turn out shots like this without all the fiddling we all now do in photoshop
Oct 2, 2012 13:45:08 #
john merry wrote:
this is a fantastic photo of the church maybe sometime in the future we will be able buy a digital camara that can turn out shots like this without all the fiddling we all now do in photoshop
Never happen. Adobe is in collusion with the camera makers. No manufacturer is allowed to make a perfect camera. :D :D :D
Actually, no matter how good cameras get, people will always want to make the image look just a bit better.
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