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Aug 12, 2019 13:55:52   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
There's nothing wrong with JPEG or Auto WB, either. If you like to experiment and play around with controls and settings, a DSLR is perfect for that. Experiment with raw and WB.

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Aug 12, 2019 14:17:40   #
williejoha
 
What ever works for you, great. I do my thing, you do your thing. I do not understand why this subject is being discussed about every other week. Be happy and keep on shooting.
WJH

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Aug 12, 2019 14:28:39   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
FWIW - I find I have enough flexibility with the editing programs I have using only jpg. Then again, I collect memories.

However, addressing the title, I don't find auto white balance to be very good.

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Aug 12, 2019 14:41:19   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Bird Dawg wrote:
Y'all may think I'm crazy but I never shoot RAW. The question to the group is - Am I the only one who shoots JPEG all the time? ( with very little adjusting in LR )

No, you are not crazy.

But following up on the title of your post, it depends on your subject matter whether Auto WB is a hindrance or a help.

If you are shooting in broad daylight, Daylight WB will be better than Auto WB because it may prevent the image from going a off-color. The same can be said for overcast and open shade.

But if your subject is in mixed lighting, Auto WB can arrive at a reasonable compromise since no one part of the image can be set to a WB that suits the entire image.

When you are shooting raw, the color balance you set in your camera will be used by your raw converter as a starting point. In any event, if you come close in the camera, it's easy to adjust either the JPEG or the raw result.

Auto WB is influenced by the large amount of green to skew the colors toward magenta.
Auto WB is influenced by the large amount of green...
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But Daylight WB renders a richer green and more neutral clouds.
But Daylight WB renders a richer green and more ne...
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Auto WB compromises the blue skylight in the window and the tungsten light to produce a compromise.
Auto WB compromises the blue skylight in the windo...
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Aug 12, 2019 15:03:30   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
RWR wrote:
... I’d like a camera that did 16-bit TIFF directly - the less fussing on a computer, the better. ...

They are out there but it will cost you. Several cameras can produce a TIFF SOOC. My Df can do it but I only get the TIFF, no raw file.

But with Active D-Lighting, watching for blinkies, and manual WB, I get more than I could with a JPEG SOOC - a lossless 16-bit file and just about everything that the 14-bit raw file can offer.

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Aug 12, 2019 15:44:07   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
suntouched wrote:
I can most always identify images taken in Jpeg mode "relying on getting it right in the camera" without any correction afterwards- blown out highlights, too much contrast, dark shadows, harsh colors, dull colors, poor exposure, incorrect white balance for starters. If the image is taken at the perfect time, in the best lighting conditions with the wisest settings then a Jpeg works. But unfortunately most photographic opportunities don't happen in aforementioned conditions and often don't look as we had imagined the scene straight from the camera. Under less than perfect conditions it's much easier to manage a Raw format than Jpeg.
I can most always identify images taken in Jpeg mo... (show quote)

Just because you are ignorant of white balance settings and meter interpretation, doesn't mean everyone else is.

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Aug 12, 2019 16:01:01   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
burkphoto wrote:
No. There are plenty of folks who haven't a clue about raw files, and others who just don't want the hassle or time or equipment involved.

There is nothing wrong with either workflow. Use the right tool for your job.

Many professionals have perfectly good reasons to record JPEGs. Other professionals have perfectly good reasons to record raw files. So why should enthusiasts and hobbyists and amateurs be any different?

The question is, can you get the results you want, or at least results that accomplish your image-making goals?

It has been said (half jokingly) by many wise, old professionals that, "Raw is for rookies, JPEGs are for professionals." At first blush, that statement causes many less informed people to issue a battle cry of, "You're a moron! You don't know what you are talking about!"

What it means is, raw files have a lot of latitude that can be very forgiving of minor errors in exposure, white balance, and other parameters you might not set right on the camera if you don't know every menu setting and what it is for, or if the photographic situation cannot be tamed.

Professionals generally DO know what they are doing with JPEGs. We know how to expose within 1/6 of a stop, nail the white balance under most types of lighting, and produce files that display nicely on screen or print well on paper. In short, we know our way around the equipment, and use a lot of finesse when working behind the camera. But we know the limits of our equipment and processes, too!

I use both workflows. When I need ultimate quality or flexibility for creative results, or the light is changing rapidly and uncontrollably, I work from raw files.

When I need an image immediately, or when the budget is low, or the downstream workflow will not accommodate raw files and the time to process them, or the light may be controlled and consistent, or there's a "SOOC JPEG ONLY" policy involved, I am likely to record JPEGs at the camera.

There is great freedom and utility in knowing your camera's pre-processing controls as well as you know your post-processing software controls!
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Adding onto my previous post (above), here are two JPEGs. The first one is the JPEG saved straight out of the camera. It was made in full auto mode. The second one is made from the raw file (same camera frame number). I did a few minutes' work in Lightroom to get this... It is the mood I wanted to record.

View these in Download for best results.

Straight Out Of Camera
Straight Out Of Camera...
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Processed from raw file to JPEG image
Processed from raw file to JPEG image...
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Aug 12, 2019 16:10:11   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Adding onto my previous post (above), here are two JPEGs. The first one is the JPEG saved straight out of the camera. It was made in full auto mode. The second one is made from the raw file (same camera frame number). I did a few minutes' work in Lightroom to get this... It is the mood I wanted to record.

View these in Download for best results.

Panasonic's Intelligent Dynamic Range (like Nikon's Active D-Lighting) would have helped with the clouds in the JPEG SOOC version. Then you might have been hard pressed to tell them apart.

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Aug 12, 2019 16:14:55   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
Bird Dawg wrote:
Y'all may think I'm crazy but I never shoot RAW. The question to the group is - Am I the only one who shoots JPEG all the time? ( with very little adjusting in LR )


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I normally only shoot in RAW, but the decision to shoot RAW or JPEG is always up to the individual. If I were shooting in JPEG though, I would not shoot "Auto WB". With RAW you can set or change your White Balance afterwards if you want or need to but with the JPEG you lose that possibility and it is permanently baked in.

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Aug 12, 2019 16:23:45   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
jamesl wrote:
----- but with the JPEG you lose that possibility and it is permanently baked in.

No, it is not.

You can do everything with a JPEG except recover blown highlights or deep shadows. You should probably convert to TIFF before any extensive editing.

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Aug 12, 2019 16:27:42   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
selmslie wrote:
Panasonic's Intelligent Dynamic Range (like Nikon's Active D-Lighting) would have helped with the clouds in the JPEG SOOC version. Then you might have been hard pressed to tell them apart.


I do use it from time to time. This was a throw-away "grab shot" image of a scene I used for some senior portraits a couple of years ago. I hadn't even developed the raw file until today.

The iA+ (intelligent Auto Plus) mode on the GH4 is one of my favorites. It nearly always gives me a raw I can work with, along with some manual overrides I like to use.

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Aug 12, 2019 16:56:03   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
mwsilvers wrote:
What I don't understand is why this thread is called "WB Auto" since it is about raw versus jpeg rather than auto white balance.


I usually set my white balance on cloudy it warms up da pic

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Aug 12, 2019 17:08:05   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
burkphoto, you can improve the original jpg to improve it close to the RAW

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Aug 12, 2019 17:30:34   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
davyboy wrote:
I usually set my white balance on cloudy it warms up da pic


That's great for you, but that doesn't clear up why the OP called the thread "WB Auto?" and proceeded to discuss a completely different topic in his first post.

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Aug 12, 2019 20:27:15   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
mwsilvers wrote:
That's great for you, but that doesn't clear up why the OP called the thread "WB Auto?" and proceeded to discuss a completely different topic in his first post.

I think he meant that you would normally only set auto white balance for JPEGs, no point in it for RAW.

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