Patriotism
Jul 22, 2019 17:44:51 #
Texcaster wrote:
Draft dodging is only a big deal to supporters of DJT. You have to laugh, that's very funny.
Dodging Vietnam was the right thing to do. Where I come from if you wanted to get laid, you were anti-war.
Dodging Vietnam was the right thing to do. Where I come from if you wanted to get laid, you were anti-war.
Obviously you were never in the Philippines Japan or Hong Kong during the Vietnam war getting laid was a given
Jul 22, 2019 17:50:12 #
Huey Driver wrote:
Funny to this day how draft dodgers have excuses for what the did instead of saying a truthful reply, "I'm a weenie and always will be chicken and still am".
Ali was no weenie. He was a world hero for standing by his convictions.
On the other hand we have the sorry case of DJT ...
Jul 22, 2019 17:54:08 #
usnpilot wrote:
Obviously you were never in the Philippines Japan or Hong Kong during the Vietnam war getting laid was a given
I had a life pre-conscription. I went to Hawaii to see my wife.
Jul 22, 2019 18:07:17 #
Texcaster wrote:
I had a life pre-conscription. I went to Hawaii to see my wife.
I was single and you missed out
Jul 22, 2019 18:25:22 #
usnpilot wrote:
I was single and you missed out
You're starting to sound like Lord Bigly rampaging through NY pussy in his salad days.
Jul 22, 2019 18:49:40 #
LWW wrote:
He wasn’t even a minority and certainly not the first son of wealth to not go.
And while we're casting stones how about Joe Biden the Democrats golden boy hopeful. 5 deferments total. Picture of health but got out of the draft because of Asthma. How does one play football and other sports with asthma but can't serve in the military? Kind of mind boggling isn't it?
Jul 22, 2019 18:58:49 #
Texcaster wrote:
You're starting to sound like Lord Bigly rampaging through NY pussy in his salad days.
Nope, just recreational sex during a brutal war that the Democrats in charge wouldn’t allow us to win.
Jul 22, 2019 19:48:25 #
Texcaster wrote:
Ali was no weenie. He was a world hero for standing by his convictions.
On the other hand we have the sorry case of DJT ...
On the other hand we have the sorry case of DJT ...
Ali was not a world hero for refusing to go when he was called. He lost a lot of fans over that.
Prize fighting is a game. One may get knocked out but he will wake up and go on with his life. I saw a bunch of heroes who never woke up. Those brave young men went because their country called and they went.
In my opinion, they were the real heroes. It doesn’t matter why we were in combat. They stood up for their country and then got spat on and had dog shit smeared on them when they returned to the world.
Jul 22, 2019 19:50:22 #
usnpilot wrote:
Nope, just recreational sex during a brutal war that the Democrats in charge wouldn’t allow us to win.
The top 2 would be Korea and Viet Nam that were a waste of American lives with nothing to show for it.
Jul 22, 2019 19:53:24 #
Wrangler wrote:
Ali was not a world hero for refusing to go when h... (show quote)
I think the liberals should be treated the same way, but they still wouldn't understand the message.
Jul 22, 2019 19:55:07 #
Jul 22, 2019 19:57:19 #
BigBear wrote:
The top 2 would be Korea and Viet Nam that were a waste of American lives with nothing to show for it.
Don't think you would get many arguments about that but that doesn't make the men who went any less hero's.
Jul 22, 2019 20:03:14 #
Huey Driver wrote:
Don't think you would get many arguments about that but that doesn't make the men who went any less hero's.
Absolutely not. Anyone who puts their life before country is one of the greatest of heroes.
Jul 22, 2019 21:22:32 #
BigBear wrote:
Absolutely not. Anyone who puts their life before country is one of the greatest of heroes.
Did you mean “anyone who puts their country before their life...”
Jul 22, 2019 22:21:02 #
Wrangler wrote:
Ali was not a world hero for refusing to go when h... (show quote)
Some people will never acknowledge Ali's true stature in the world and in America.
Muhammad Ali and Vietnam
His refusal to be drafted to fight in the war transcended the boxing ring, which he had dominated, at great personal cost. Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/muhammad-ali-vietnam/485717/
"“My conscience won’t let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America,” he said at the time. “And shoot them for what? They never called me nigger, they never lynched me, they didn’t put no dogs on me, they didn’t rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. … Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people? Just take me to jail.” Muhammad Ali
Ali once proudly declared: “I am America. I am the part you won’t recognize. But get used to me—black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own. Get used to me.”
"Still, Ali’s continued refusal to go to Vietnam—despite repeated pressure—coincided with the war’s growing unpopularity in the U.S. And in the three years he didn’t fight, Ali became a prominent speaker at college campuses across the U.S., as the anti-war movement grew in strength, silencing those who told him to participate with his compelling arguments:" Atlantic
Wrangler sez ... "In my opinion, they were the real heroes. It doesn’t matter why we were in combat. They stood up for their country and then got spat on and had dog shit smeared on them when they returned to the world."
I don't think anyone said they weren't brave men. Patriotism is easily exploited by weak men in power.
Just look at the cheap brittle sludge served up by Trump.
"They all hate America but not me!"
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