Biogon44

I'm sick and tired of all this China-bashing. If you pay the money, Chinese quality is quite good. If you pay a garbage price, what do you expect --- Rolls-Royce quality, if not actually garbage in return! Why don't people look carefully at the origin of their products (many well-made in China) and not just mindlessly follow the present American vogue for trashing China on almost everything. Remember China and America were stalwart allies in the Second World War and China certainly did not attack Pearl Harbor. The Flying Tigers' role in defending her against the Japanese are gratefully and fondly acknowledged in present day China.

Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida

I have no problem with Chinese products, except pet food & knock off pharmaceuticals. but................
Where did those troops with whistles and bugles that mauled our marines and army units in Korea come from? China.....That ended in a draw.
What nation supported North Vietnam? China...............That one we lost!
Yes, G. Duhbya Bush began mortgaging the USA to China but what could possibly be wrong with that???

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

So when you purchase anything that is made in China, how is one to know whether it was made by a reputable company (well) or a fly-by-night company (poorly)?
Price?
Easy fix for that - the fly-by-night companies can increase their price.
Now what?

(Why would anyone buy a dollar-two-ninety-eight USB cable at a corner convenience store?)

Are you old enough to know how people felt about merchandise from Japan in the 50s and 60s???

SangerM

China and America were far from 'stalwart allies' in WWII. That's revisionist history. Yes, we had a common enemy, but Chaing was looking for and willing to take help against Mao from anyone who would give it, including criminal gangs and the Nazis (yes!). Likewise, Mao was just interested in defeating Chaing, who had to be prodded _hard_ into turning to fight Japan instead of finishing off the communists (which he should have done). Basically, in the course of doing what the U.S. wanted, i.e., relieve pressure on the U.S. by tying up the Japanese, Chaing lost China because while he was losing forces and killing hundreds of thousands of his own people in floods, etc., Mao was recovering in the west.

As for the war, Chaing refused to pay heed to Gen Stillwell in favor of Chenault, whose main interest was self serving. IMO, any fondness for Chenault lacks context and awareness of the times, which found him undermining Stillwell who finally, in frustration, left the country and went south where he ended up working with Ho Chi Minh, who WAS fighting the Japanese.

And lastly, WWII ended more than 60 years ago--it's old history for a non-ally. Since then, China has been anything but a friend to anyone but itself (and North Korea), and a lot of Americans have died with China's help. Frankly, it's done a pretty nasty job on its own people too (including the millions of female babies aborted because females are less worthwhile than males in Chinese culture). Xi is an important reformer in some ways, but in others he has probably consolidated more power in himself than anyone since Mao has had. Likewise, China is causing no end of problems in Africa with it's outrageous, unsustainable loans and poorly run/managed infrastructure projects. If it keeps up as it's going, China will end up doing as much or more lasting damage to Africa than any former colonial power.

China is a great country, no question, and its people are no less human and therefore deserving of fair judgement, but it is no friend to America and it is no great friend to the world.

Just sayin'

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Sorry, I thought we were talking about products from China, not a political position.

Just sayin'

SangerM

Well, okaaayyy then, do so. Who said you should stop?

Of course, I was responding to the second part of what looks like the first msg in this thread, Biogon44's: "Remember China and America were stalwart allies in the Second World War and China certainly did not attack Pearl Harbor. The Flying Tigers' role in defending her against the Japanese are gratefully and fondly acknowledged in present day China."

Sorry I didn't stick to the approved topic, like Don the 2nd Son (who, BTW, mentioned China as supporting Vietnam, though it was also Soviets). I just felt like wasting my time writing about something that actually matters, like facts, instead of about, well, you know. . .

And FTR, that wasn't a political 'position.' It was a comment and opinion that included an assessment of current international affairs based on documented history and recent experience/study.

Just sayin'