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Jul 12, 2019 15:18:24   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Maybe some would rather live in Russia.

During the Russian Civil War, the Soviet government allowed a variety of small arms and bladed weapons. Afterwards, the government made immediate alternations for those to whom it did not rely. The government had made it a point to "arm the working people" in the Declaration of the Rights of Working and Exploited People in January 1918.[1] The December decree of the CPC of 1918, "On the surrender of weapons", ordered people to surrender any firearms, swords, bayonets and bombs, regardless of the degree of serviceability. The penalty for not doing so was ten years' imprisonment.[2] Members of the Communist Party were allowed to have a single weapon (a pistol or a rifle) and possession of the weapon was recorded in the party membership book. The assassination of Stalin's ally Sergey Kirov by Leonid Nikolaev in 1934 was possible because of this, as Nikolaev was allowed to have a revolver.

On December 12, 1924 the Central Executive Committee of the USSR promulgated its degree "On the procedure of production, trade, storage, use, keeping and carrying firearms, firearm ammunition, explosive projectiles and explosives", all weapons were classified and divided into categories. Now the weapons permitted for personal possession by ordinary citizens could only be smoothbore hunting shotguns. The other category of weapons were only possessed by those who were put on duty by the Soviet state; for all others, access to these weapons was restricted to within state regulated shooting ranges. Illegal gun possession was severely punished. Since March 1933 the manufacture, possession, purchase, sale of firearms (except for smoothbore) hunting weapons without proper authorization was punishable by up to five years in prison. In 1935, the same penalty was imposed for possession of knives. During the Great Patriotic War, the civilian population had to hand over all the personal hunting weapons to the Red Army for defence against the German invasion. The same was true for weapons left by retreating German invaders in the war. They were to be surrendered to Red Army troops, the NKVD or local Soviet authorities within 24 hours. Cases of stolen weapons were also brought to criminal justice.

Since the death of Joseph Stalin in 1953 the USSR saw a small wave of liberalisations for civilian gun ownership. Soviet civilians were allowed to purchase smoothbore hunting shotguns again, even without mandatory submission of hunting licenses. However, this lasted for not more than six years. The buyer again had to pre-register in the Soviet Society of Hunters since 1959. With the introduction of the new Criminal Code in 1960, penalties were softened significantly for illegal possessions of firearms to only up to two years of imprisonment, while the possession of melee weapons were not prohibited anymore in the Soviet Union.

Fourteen years later the punishment for illegal purchase, keeping and carrying of weapons was increased again to five years' imprisonment. However, voluntarily surrendered unregistered rifles were met without responsibility or punishment.

I have the feeling that some members of the uhh would prefer the Russian gun laws as opposed to USA gun laws.

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Jul 12, 2019 15:24:25   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
some how the words "well regulated militia " get lost in your cry for unfetted gun ownership. 50 million gun owners looking out for number one, do not constitute a "well regulated or trained militia".

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Jul 12, 2019 16:20:05   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
bull drink water wrote:
some how the words "well regulated militia " get lost in your cry for unfetted gun ownership. 50 million gun owners looking out for number one, do not constitute a "well regulated or trained militia".


You left out 'The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed' which takes your argument to the incinerator.

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Jul 12, 2019 16:21:52   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Wrangler wrote:
Maybe some would rather live in Russia.

During the Russian Civil War, the Soviet government allowed a variety of small arms and bladed weapons. Afterwards, the government made immediate alternations for those to whom it did not rely. The government had made it a point to "arm the working people" in the Declaration of the Rights of Working and Exploited People in January 1918.[1] The December decree of the CPC of 1918, "On the surrender of weapons", ordered people to surrender any firearms, swords, bayonets and bombs, regardless of the degree of serviceability. The penalty for not doing so was ten years' imprisonment.[2] Members of the Communist Party were allowed to have a single weapon (a pistol or a rifle) and possession of the weapon was recorded in the party membership book. The assassination of Stalin's ally Sergey Kirov by Leonid Nikolaev in 1934 was possible because of this, as Nikolaev was allowed to have a revolver.

On December 12, 1924 the Central Executive Committee of the USSR promulgated its degree "On the procedure of production, trade, storage, use, keeping and carrying firearms, firearm ammunition, explosive projectiles and explosives", all weapons were classified and divided into categories. Now the weapons permitted for personal possession by ordinary citizens could only be smoothbore hunting shotguns. The other category of weapons were only possessed by those who were put on duty by the Soviet state; for all others, access to these weapons was restricted to within state regulated shooting ranges. Illegal gun possession was severely punished. Since March 1933 the manufacture, possession, purchase, sale of firearms (except for smoothbore) hunting weapons without proper authorization was punishable by up to five years in prison. In 1935, the same penalty was imposed for possession of knives. During the Great Patriotic War, the civilian population had to hand over all the personal hunting weapons to the Red Army for defence against the German invasion. The same was true for weapons left by retreating German invaders in the war. They were to be surrendered to Red Army troops, the NKVD or local Soviet authorities within 24 hours. Cases of stolen weapons were also brought to criminal justice.

Since the death of Joseph Stalin in 1953 the USSR saw a small wave of liberalisations for civilian gun ownership. Soviet civilians were allowed to purchase smoothbore hunting shotguns again, even without mandatory submission of hunting licenses. However, this lasted for not more than six years. The buyer again had to pre-register in the Soviet Society of Hunters since 1959. With the introduction of the new Criminal Code in 1960, penalties were softened significantly for illegal possessions of firearms to only up to two years of imprisonment, while the possession of melee weapons were not prohibited anymore in the Soviet Union.

Fourteen years later the punishment for illegal purchase, keeping and carrying of weapons was increased again to five years' imprisonment. However, voluntarily surrendered unregistered rifles were met without responsibility or punishment.

I have the feeling that some members of the uhh would prefer the Russian gun laws as opposed to USA gun laws.
Maybe some would rather live in Russia. br br Du... (show quote)


God Blessed the USA and our founders to give us our Constitution.

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Jul 12, 2019 18:28:38   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
BigBear wrote:
You left out 'The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed' which takes your argument to the incinerator.


somehow a lotta dims/liberals forget that line

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Jul 12, 2019 19:06:00   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
wilpharm wrote:
somehow a lotta dims/liberals forget that line


They tend to ignore some things that bring on their demise. Yet, they go all in on others such as murdering babies of any age.

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Jul 12, 2019 19:12:30   #
Angmo
 
green wrote:
I'm sorry, how do you interpret his words?


let's see... sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from the government.

Our government has


you know, maybe our founding fathers' ideas need a bit of revising...I don't think Washington wanted every citizen to have the right to nuclear capability.


So this can’t happen.

Lefties are the enemy domestic.



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Jul 12, 2019 19:30:39   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
BigBear wrote:
They tend to ignore some things that bring on their demise. Yet, they go all in on others such as murdering babies of any age.


like frank sez...easy peasy..kill a kid

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Jul 12, 2019 22:36:37   #
jsvend Loc: Indiana
 
green wrote:
so we all get nukes?


If you got $90,000,000.00 to pay for a nuke and the technology, go ahead.

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Jul 12, 2019 22:46:01   #
Angmo
 
jsvend wrote:
If you got $90,000,000.00 to pay for a nuke and the technology, go ahead.


Licensing may be an issue. ITAR EAR and such.

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Jul 14, 2019 21:12:25   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
BigBear wrote:
You left out 'The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed' which takes your argument to the incinerator.


that was included to inable the people to be able to come together quickly in time of need.

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Jul 14, 2019 22:12:38   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
bull drink water wrote:
that was included to inable the people to be able to come together quickly in time of need.


The right for people to keep arms was not connected to any other stipulation, only that it shall not be infringed upon by anyone.

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Jul 15, 2019 12:10:37   #
trainspotter Loc: Oregon
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Funny, what do YOU think YOU know about the second amendment that the rest of us don't know???
Even more funny, when that was written, Texas thought it was still a country, that is until they came CRYING to us for help because they were getting their tails whipped by Mexico!!!
SS


THEY...still are...(fence jumpers!)

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Jul 15, 2019 12:12:22   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
trainspotter wrote:
THEY...still are...(fence jumpers!)


There isn't anything there to jump over or crawl under.
Just an open trough lined with liberal tax sucking politicians.

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Jul 15, 2019 12:16:20   #
trainspotter Loc: Oregon
 
BigBear wrote:
There isn't anything there to jump over or crawl under.
Just an open trough lined with liberal tax sucking politicians.


Dilly...Dilly!

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