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Jun 25, 2019 17:59:54   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Frank T wrote:
What you perceive as a heartbeat is not a measure of viability.
If you were to give birth at 18 weeks, it would be a miscarriage, not a birthday.


That line is moving all the time Frank. Right now it's at 21 weeks.

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Jun 25, 2019 18:30:53   #
Angmo
 
Rose42 wrote:
The Girardoni air rifle was a 22-shot, magazine-fed, nearly silent .46 caliber repeating rifle adopted in 1780 by the Austrian Army. Thomas Jefferson purchased two of these rifles, which he sent west with Lewis and Clark.

Does it have a high-capacity magazine? Got it!

Is it capable of firing 22 aimed shots in a minute? Got it!

Is it a military weapon? Got it!

Was it manufactured during the American Revolutionary War? Got it!

While the standard arm of the day was a single-shot flintlock, the Girardoni offered a massive firepower advantage to the men who carried it.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/op-ed-thomas-jefferson%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cassault-rifle%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-girardoni-air-rifle

More examples of guns other than single shot muskets that existed then -

https://dailycaller.com/2016/06/29/these-guns-dispel-the-notion-the-founding-fathers-could-never-have-imagined-modern-assault-rifles/
The Girardoni air rifle was a 22-shot, magazine-fe... (show quote)


A girl hands him what’s left of his ass.



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Jun 25, 2019 23:28:21   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Frank T wrote:
What would our Founding Fathers do?
I think they would kick you out of our country.

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Jun 26, 2019 09:05:57   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
mwalsh wrote:
Yes they did.

Abortion has been around just about forever.

C-sections almost as long. Shakespeare used it in Macbeth. It was rare in the middle ages and likely most mothers did not survive.

The first reported succesful c-section in America was documented in 1794.

So yes, the founders had knowledge of the procedures and society at the time had limited abilities to perform both.


what do you think the survival rate was??? mothers & babies??...I imagine many went septic.

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Jun 26, 2019 10:05:15   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Frank T wrote:
How cute. You're trying so hard to write like an adult.
Well bless your heart.


Little Frankie, ever the child trying to act like an adult.

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Jun 26, 2019 10:06:15   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Rose42 wrote:
The Girardoni air rifle was a 22-shot, magazine-fed, nearly silent .46 caliber repeating rifle adopted in 1780 by the Austrian Army. Thomas Jefferson purchased two of these rifles, which he sent west with Lewis and Clark.

Does it have a high-capacity magazine? Got it!

Is it capable of firing 22 aimed shots in a minute? Got it!

Is it a military weapon? Got it!

Was it manufactured during the American Revolutionary War? Got it!

While the standard arm of the day was a single-shot flintlock, the Girardoni offered a massive firepower advantage to the men who carried it.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/op-ed-thomas-jefferson%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cassault-rifle%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-girardoni-air-rifle

More examples of guns other than single shot muskets that existed then -

https://dailycaller.com/2016/06/29/these-guns-dispel-the-notion-the-founding-fathers-could-never-have-imagined-modern-assault-rifles/
The Girardoni air rifle was a 22-shot, magazine-fe... (show quote)


Very informative Rose, thanks.

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Jun 26, 2019 10:06:56   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Merlin1300 wrote:
I think they would kick you out of our country.


Way to go Merlin.

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Jun 26, 2019 18:58:39   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Rose42 wrote:
The Girardoni air rifle was a 22-shot, magazine-fed, nearly silent .46 caliber repeating rifle adopted in 1780 by the Austrian Army. Thomas Jefferson purchased two of these rifles, which he sent west with Lewis and Clark.

Does it have a high-capacity magazine? Got it!

Is it capable of firing 22 aimed shots in a minute? Got it!

Is it a military weapon? Got it!

Was it manufactured during the American Revolutionary War? Got it!

While the standard arm of the day was a single-shot flintlock, the Girardoni offered a massive firepower advantage to the men who carried it.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/op-ed-thomas-jefferson%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cassault-rifle%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-girardoni-air-rifle

More examples of guns other than single shot muskets that existed then -

https://dailycaller.com/2016/06/29/these-guns-dispel-the-notion-the-founding-fathers-could-never-have-imagined-modern-assault-rifles/
The Girardoni air rifle was a 22-shot, magazine-fe... (show quote)


I have read that the possession of a. couple of Giradonis may have been responsible for the survival of the group. Natives in the west were familiar with muskets, even had a few. Some groups could have easily killed the members of the party, taken the muskets they did have and changed the balance of power amongst the tribes...at least for a time.

But when encountering a new group of natives, they would demonstrate that they had a rifle that did not make a loud noise, did not produce a smoke cloud to disclose the location of the shooter, and produced continuous fire instead of becoming a club after one shot. I doubt the party disclosed they only had two of the rifles.

The perception of vastly superior fire power made the party seem like a much more formidable force than it actually was, and the natives let them pass through. Truth is, the party was invariably greatly outnumbered and could have easily been overwhelmed by several of the tribes they encountered.

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Jun 26, 2019 21:49:53   #
Rose42
 
mwalsh wrote:
I have read that the possession of a. couple of Giradonis may have been responsible for the survival of the group. Natives in the west were familiar with muskets, even had a few. Some groups could have easily killed the members of the party, taken the muskets they did have and changed the balance of power amongst the tribes...at least for a time.

But when encountering a new group of natives, they would demonstrate that they had a rifle that did not make a loud noise, did not produce a smoke cloud to disclose the location of the shooter, and produced continuous fire instead of becoming a club after one shot. I doubt the party disclosed they only had two of the rifles.

The perception of vastly superior fire power made the party seem like a much more formidable force than it actually was, and the natives let them pass through. Truth is, the party was invariably greatly outnumbered and could have easily been overwhelmed by several of the tribes they encountered.
I have read that the possession of a. couple of Gi... (show quote)


Interesting. If the natives had gotten their hands on those rifles I wonder what effect that may have had on history

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Jun 26, 2019 21:58:31   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
And imagine if they had a Gatling Gun !!
I've flown in aircraft with 20mm Vulcan cannons on either side
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M61_Vulcan
No - - you do NOT want one of these to be MAD at you !!

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Jun 27, 2019 08:11:38   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Frank T wrote:
What you perceive as a heartbeat is not a measure of viability.
If you were to give birth at 18 weeks, it would be a miscarriage, not a birthday.


Thats why people with morals and standards try to prevent premature birth, to allow the living to live.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/14/mom-delivers-earliest-premature-baby-ever-and-chooses-resuscitate-miracle-aughter-now-healthy-toddle/861386001/

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Jun 27, 2019 08:13:01   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Merlin1300 wrote:
I think they would kick you out of our country.



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Jun 27, 2019 15:36:00   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Frank T wrote:
Why? Your side doesnt consider that the right to bear arms ment you could have a musket.
When you come around, I may also come around.


The musket was the most advanced firearm of the 1700’s.

The automobile, the refrigerator, the radio, the television, the microwave, the semi automatic firearm and a host of other things were non-existent in the 1700’s. Does that disqualify any item not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as out of the favor of the founding fathers?

Does this same logic cover medical practices of 2019?

I am interested in your answer.

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Jun 27, 2019 17:23:54   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Rose42 wrote:
Interesting. If the natives had gotten their hands on those rifles I wonder what effect that may have had on history


They did at the Little Big Horn ... it didn’t end well for the visiting team.

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Jun 27, 2019 18:13:54   #
Angmo
 
LWW wrote:
They did at the Little Big Horn ... it didn’t end well for the visiting team.


Kinda wondered about that leftist propaganda....

A win for the Calvary was called a victory
A win for the Indians was called a slaughter

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