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Jun 16, 2019 22:35:18   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
btbg wrote:
repealing amendments has been done, but not repealing any portion of the Bill of Rights. That has not been done. And if you read Jefferson and others you will see that the reason for the second amendment was to protect citizens from an out of control government. That can not happen if the government has automatic weapons and citizens aren't even allowed to have semiautomatic weapons.

However, the bigger issue is that liberals exaggerate and distort the actual figures of gun violence. The last year that we have accurate weapons for approximately 32,000 died in gun deaths. Of those 60 percent are suicides That leaves 12,800. Of those another 3 percent are accidental deaths. That takes it down to approximately 12,400 deaths. Of those between 60 to 80 percent are gang related shootings in inner cities. If we take the 60 percent figure to be conservative that means that leaves under 5,000. If you take the 80 percent figure for gang murders then there are under 2,500 other gun deaths in the country.

The vast majority of the gang related shootings are by people who already can't legally own guns, so banning guns will do nothing to stop those deaths. Banning guns will also not stop the suicides. People don't tend to use semiautomatic rifles for suicides, so allowing the guns that you say you are willing to continue to allow won't stop any of those deaths. That means that there are approximately 2,500 deaths per year that should even be relevant to any gun control debate, a far cry from the 32,000 and up cited by gun control advocates.

By last report following New Zealand passing their new gun control law and attempting to buy back the newly illegal guns they have only had 580 guns turned in. The law they passed in the name of public safety will do nothing to stop another crazy Australian from doing another mass shooting in New Zealand, but they have successfully made thousands of their own citizens into felons for refusing to turn in their guns.

Is that what you really want? Criminalize individuals who have been law abiding citizens, while gang members continue to use illegal guns with impunity.
repealing amendments has been done, but not repeal... (show quote)

When laws change with the times, it's up to citizens to stay on top of those changes.

If a citizen choices not to turn in their guns once they've been outlawed, then they're left to suffer the consequences of their choices. Becoming a felon is a choice they'll have to live with.

Getting outlawed guns off the streets and out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them will take some time, but if the laws have changed, that's what will have to happen.

Prohibition turned a lot of people into criminals, and those who brewed anything, including moonshine often had run-ins with the law back in those days.

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Jun 16, 2019 22:39:23   #
Angmo
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
When laws change with the times, it's up to citizens to stay on top of those changes.

If a citizen choices not to turn in their guns once they've been outlawed, then they're left to suffer the consequences of their choices. Becoming a felon is a choice they'll have to live with.

Getting outlawed guns off the streets and out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them will take some time, but if the laws have changed, that's what will have to happen.

Prohibition turned a lot of people into criminals, and those who brewed anything, including moonshine often had run-ins with the law back in those days.
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Jun 17, 2019 00:04:34   #
EyeSawYou
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
When laws change with the times, it's up to citizens to stay on top of those changes.

If a citizen choices not to turn in their guns once they've been outlawed, then they're left to suffer the consequences of their choices. Becoming a felon is a choice they'll have to live with.

Getting outlawed guns off the streets and out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them will take some time, but if the laws have changed, that's what will have to happen.

Prohibition turned a lot of people into criminals, and those who brewed anything, including moonshine often had run-ins with the law back in those days.
When laws change with the times, it's up to citize... (show quote)


You just proved yourself to be the liar that you really are and you don't even realize that you have done that. The more you talk the more BS seeps from your lying BS lips, we all know you favor outlawing all arms from all people. You imply that you only want to get them out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them, but you know damn well that is impossible unless you implement a full "disarmament" of the entire citizen population.

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Jun 17, 2019 00:07:58   #
EyeSawYou
 
Stutterslug is the biggest BS'r on UHH.

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Jun 17, 2019 00:18:43   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
btbg wrote:
repealing amendments has been done, but not repealing any portion of the Bill of Rights. That has not been done. And if you read Jefferson and others you will see that the reason for the second amendment was to protect citizens from an out of control government. That can not happen if the government has automatic weapons and citizens aren't even allowed to have semiautomatic weapons.

However, the bigger issue is that liberals exaggerate and distort the actual figures of gun violence. The last year that we have accurate weapons for approximately 32,000 died in gun deaths. Of those 60 percent are suicides That leaves 12,800. Of those another 3 percent are accidental deaths. That takes it down to approximately 12,400 deaths. Of those between 60 to 80 percent are gang related shootings in inner cities. If we take the 60 percent figure to be conservative that means that leaves under 5,000. If you take the 80 percent figure for gang murders then there are under 2,500 other gun deaths in the country.

The vast majority of the gang related shootings are by people who already can't legally own guns, so banning guns will do nothing to stop those deaths. Banning guns will also not stop the suicides. People don't tend to use semiautomatic rifles for suicides, so allowing the guns that you say you are willing to continue to allow won't stop any of those deaths. That means that there are approximately 2,500 deaths per year that should even be relevant to any gun control debate, a far cry from the 32,000 and up cited by gun control advocates.

By last report following New Zealand passing their new gun control law and attempting to buy back the newly illegal guns they have only had 580 guns turned in. The law they passed in the name of public safety will do nothing to stop another crazy Australian from doing another mass shooting in New Zealand, but they have successfully made thousands of their own citizens into felons for refusing to turn in their guns.

Is that what you really want? Criminalize individuals who have been law abiding citizens, while gang members continue to use illegal guns with impunity.
repealing amendments has been done, but not repeal... (show quote)


Congratulations for hitting the nail on the head. Well said.

Dennis

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Jun 17, 2019 00:36:06   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
When laws change with the times, it's up to citizens to stay on top of those changes.

If a citizen choices not to turn in their guns once they've been outlawed, then they're left to suffer the consequences of their choices. Becoming a felon is a choice they'll have to live with.

Getting outlawed guns off the streets and out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them will take some time, but if the laws have changed, that's what will have to happen.

Prohibition turned a lot of people into criminals, and those who brewed anything, including moonshine often had run-ins with the law back in those days.
When laws change with the times, it's up to citize... (show quote)


That is the second worst argument I have heard since being in The Attic. The government has no workable plans to keep firearms from criminals yet would throw law abiding citizens in prison simply for possession of firearms, a Constitutional Right since 1789.

Your argument only proves the Founding Fathers were entirely correct when they enacted the 2nd Amendment; We the People do need to fear the government. Your argument also proves that Liberal Socialist Democrats do not have American values in mind. Their values revolve around controlling, We the People. No thank you. I guarantee that I and numerous friends WILL fight to the death any such actions from a government as you describe.

This is no threat against you or the government. As a Marine, law enforcement officer and corrections officer I have devoted much of my life to ensure rights for others. There is no way I would want to go against another American, especially a military brother or sister or a fellow law enforcement officer. But I will fight to protect the Constitution as I have sworn many times in the past. This I will defend.

Dennis

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Jun 17, 2019 01:23:21   #
btbg
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
When laws change with the times, it's up to citizens to stay on top of those changes.

If a citizen choices not to turn in their guns once they've been outlawed, then they're left to suffer the consequences of their choices. Becoming a felon is a choice they'll have to live with.

Getting outlawed guns off the streets and out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them will take some time, but if the laws have changed, that's what will have to happen.

Prohibition turned a lot of people into criminals, and those who brewed anything, including moonshine often had run-ins with the law back in those days.
When laws change with the times, it's up to citize... (show quote)


And like banning guns prohibition was a bad law. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens accomplishes nothing. Stopping criminals from illegal activity and giving help to the mentally ill, now that would help everyone. But we already have laws to do that now don't we?

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Jun 17, 2019 02:36:13   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
btbg wrote:
And like banning guns prohibition was a bad law. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens accomplishes nothing. Stopping criminals from illegal activity and giving help to the mentally ill, now that would help everyone. But we already have laws to do that now don't we?


The last I heard in the 70’s there were over 25,000 gun laws on the books throughout the country. We also have laws against crimes committed with firearms or other weapons of all types including the use of force or fear. Yet criminals routinely use weapons to commit crimes. It doesn’t make much difference which weapon it is so long as it forces you to comply.

Out of numerous weapons, it is only firearms that Liberals want to control. I wonder why that is. My personal belief is that if government controls firearms they can also control the people.

Yes, yes, I know the Liberals are right now typing to tell us the government doesn’t want to control the people. It only wants reasonable gun controls to protect us from bad people. Of course we all know that is BS.

Dennis

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Jun 17, 2019 04:41:26   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Angmo (a regular here) (online) Joined: Nov 7, 2017 Posts: 7437 Loc: Phoenix Valley, AZ

Meth is spelled moth or math or mith or muth.

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Jun 17, 2019 04:42:40   #
Angmo
 
dennis2146 wrote:
The last I heard in the 70’s there were over 25,000 gun laws on the books throughout the country. We also have laws against crimes committed with firearms or other weapons of all types including the use of force or fear. Yet criminals routinely use weapons to commit crimes. It doesn’t make much difference which weapon it is so long as it forces you to comply.

Out of numerous weapons, it is only firearms that Liberals want to control. I wonder why that is. My personal belief is that if government controls firearms they can also control the people.

Yes, yes, I know the Liberals are right now typing to tell us the government doesn’t want to control the people. It only wants reasonable gun controls to protect us from bad people. Of course we all know that is BS.

Dennis
The last I heard in the 70’s there were over 25,00... (show quote)


With guns, the people control the government. Lefties want to control the people.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:53:43   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
lonedog wrote:
I recently saw pictures of somewhere in Africa that I believe is having another, or continual???, drought. Tiny malnourished children with big, bony heads and protruding stomachs, skeletal women who look like the can barely walk, flies all over the place, barely dressed. YET I NEVER hear LIBERALS or hardly anyone else for that matter even mentioning them. And they’re the ones That truly need help. Not people, mainly young men and boys, and the ever more frequent token “get out of jail free card” child they might have with them , who are well dressed, well fed, and obviously haven’t been walking 2000 miles. Hell, they look better than many of our very own citizens. I guess the only fault of the Africans is they don’t live close enough to be of any use to the Democrats.
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Jun 17, 2019 11:55:29   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The question of WHY people come to the United States, no matter how they get here is important to know.

The vast majority of immigrants are fleeing something in their birth countries.

In the 1800's, it was widespread famine in Europe.

In the early 1900's, it was the uncertainty and unrest leading up to both WWI & WWII.

Today it's widespread famine, and the high rates of crime against the poor in those three Northern Triangle countries that's causing the huge numbers of people to seek asylum in the United States.

And it's not just residents of Central and South America who're seeking asylum, there was a recent death of a young child from India who died in the desert in Arizona, while her mother was searching for water.

India is experiencing one of their worst heat waves right now, as of June 14th it was the second longest at 32 days, and the most intense with temperatures soaring to 123°F.

Climate change is the root cause of these heat waves and droughts. Without water you can't grow food!

Only trump and his climate change deniers can't see what pollution is doing to the planet.
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You are a good liberal who believes exactly what they tell you and that makes you a good little serf.

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Jun 17, 2019 12:11:28   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
You are a good liberal who believes exactly what they tell you and that makes you a good little serf.


Much like being a trumpette...just different perspectives!

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Jun 17, 2019 12:50:26   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
DaveO wrote:
Much like being a trumpette...just different perspectives!


Bit of truth there, however the left ignores any wrong doing from their side as if it didn't happen. That is the difference. If people could admit when their party is wrong, then we could all complain together.

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Jun 17, 2019 12:58:29   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Bit of truth there, however the left ignores any wrong doing from their side as if it didn't happen. That is the difference. If people could admit when their party is wrong, then we could all complain together.
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LOL! My wife is a Dem, but neither of us are stupid enough to place all the blame in one direction or think that either side is totally correct. In my state we have had both parties in jail, right up to and including a past governor.

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