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Jun 8, 2019 12:46:57   #
oregon don
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Great photograph. Had I lived back then this would be a great place out of the elements to call home.

Dennis


and the view out the front window is nice

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Jun 8, 2019 13:46:00   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
oregon don wrote:
and the view out the front window is nice


Yes it is. As a hunter I can imagine the past occupant sitting there with his spear or otherwise hunting instrument waiting for dinner to come walking by.

Dennis

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Jun 8, 2019 15:51:42   #
TBerwick Loc: Houston, Texas
 
I like the detail you managed to get in the shadow areas. Great processing.

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Jun 8, 2019 18:04:25   #
exakta56 Loc: Orford,New Hampshire
 
A great fixer-upper!

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Jun 8, 2019 18:32:17   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
My personal, spur of the moment, guess is that retangular or square windows were easier to construct than round or triangular shapes.

Dennis


I agree. Consider that most photographs are printed square or rectangular from a round lens. Round windows are also more expensive to make per square inch when they are used for decorative purposes.

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Jun 8, 2019 18:47:29   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
hassighedgehog wrote:
I agree. Consider that most photographs are printed square or rectangular from a round lens. Round windows are also more expensive to make per square inch when they are used for decorative purposes.


Even though pictures are taken with a round lens, the receptacle for the light is square or rectangular. Open a film camera and the area where the light hits the film is always that way. Perhaps because pictures have always been in that format, at least for the most part. I suspect if a square lens was developed and the film or sensor was round the photo would be round too. I suspect leaves in a lens are easier to make using the round format.

Just rambling on random thoughts.

Dennis

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Jun 8, 2019 18:50:16   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
From just looking at your images, I am guessing that the construction of the walls is Adobe bricks with a few rocks thrown in. And had this not been built in a cave, it would be a small pile of rocks today.

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Jun 8, 2019 19:40:55   #
Hawkowl Loc: Ithaca, NY
 
UTMike wrote:
Very nice perspective on that shot, Jim! I guess daylight savings time messes up your ability to date that site.


Haa, that cracked me up!
Looks to me like it might have been on a Tuesday.

Whenever they did it, I like their choice to go with indirect accent lighting on the ceiling!

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Jun 8, 2019 20:59:58   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
UTMike wrote:
Very nice perspective on that shot, Jim! I guess daylight savings time messes up your ability to date that site.


While daylight savings might make for a complication or two, Mike, I think the bigger stumbling block to dating the site might be the problem of finding fresh cut roses or a box of chocolates anywhere in the area.

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Jun 8, 2019 21:11:56   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
Paul J. Svetlik wrote:
Excellent contrast and light control cany134!
Multi shot merged?
I also like that you were able to get the light in the window.
Your image definitely shows the powerful instinct for humans and animals to seek the shelter from elements in such landscape configurations our Mother Nature provides.

Has anyone ever wondered, that even the completely different and ancient cultures favored rectangular windows and not the triangular or circular ones?


Thanks, Paul. Multi shot merged? Yes, seven images pano-ed. Re: the instinct to seek shelter/build inside an alcove? Yup. Easily 20 degrees cooler inside than outside on a hot summer's day. And easier to heat in the winter, too. And re: the window shape? The archaeological expression for that is phrased 'the economy of effort.'

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Jun 8, 2019 21:23:26   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Cany143 wrote:
While daylight savings might make for a complication or two, Mike, I think the bigger stumbling block to dating the site might be the problem of finding fresh cut roses or a box of chocolates anywhere in the area.


Look under the pillow for the chocolates. I don’t know if roses were invented by 1050.

Dennis

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Jun 8, 2019 21:29:59   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
lmTrying wrote:
From just looking at your images, I am guessing that the construction of the walls is Adobe bricks with a few rocks thrown in. And had this not been built in a cave, it would be a small pile of rocks today.


Adobe bricks were not used. The walls are all of dressed local stone. After those were laid, they were plastered over with mud. Overall, its single wall, classic PII (Pueblo II) Mesa Verdian style construction. Odds are, if the area had not been grazed (cattle) over the last hundred years, much more of the structure would likely be standing. Not far away, there are a number of two story (and in one instance, possibly three story) structures out in the open that are in surprisingly good condition (for being thousand year old ruins, that is).

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Jun 9, 2019 02:38:33   #
JoAnneK01 Loc: Lahaina, Hawaii
 
Extremely nice shot. Lighting is superb. Mahalo for sharing.

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Jun 9, 2019 12:07:47   #
wham121736 Loc: Long Island, New York
 
Paul J. Svetlik wrote:
Excellent contrast and light control cany134!
Multi shot merged?
I also like that you were able to get the light in the window.
Your image definitely shows the powerful instinct for humans and animals to seek the shelter from elements in such landscape configurations our Mother Nature provides.

Has anyone ever wondered, that even the completely different and ancient cultures favored rectangular windows and not the triangular or circular ones?

That's a great question! I hope you get some interesting replys.

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Jun 9, 2019 12:16:55   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Cany143 wrote:
Adobe bricks were not used. The walls are all of dressed local stone. After those were laid, they were plastered over with mud. Overall, its single wall, classic PII (Pueblo II) Mesa Verdian style construction. Odds are, if the area had not been grazed (cattle) over the last hundred years, much more of the structure would likely be standing. Not far away, there are a number of two story (and in one instance, possibly three story) structures out in the open that are in surprisingly good condition (for being thousand year old ruins, that is).
Adobe bricks were not used. The walls are all of ... (show quote)


Thanks for the construction reply.
I guess the wall is in better shape than I thought. Except where the cattle made a door. Too bad. I will assume the cattle started using the existing man door, then customized it to their liking.

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