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Jun 4, 2019 01:55:57   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
HRBIEL wrote:
Just some food for thought. In the old days (pre digital) personal cameras registered images on film but they didn't record video on film. Today, almost any personal camera you can buy can shoot stills as well as record video. I wonder if there would be a market for photographers who only shoot stills and would buy a camera that had no video capability? Marketing a camera with no video capabilities could probably cost less, maybe weigh less, have a smaller form factor, and be less complicated to operate. I know I would be interested in such a camera as I'm not interested in video. Any thoughts from hoggers?
Just some food for thought. In the old days (pre d... (show quote)


There is not much savings to pulling out video and selling the camera as stills only. Plus, the camera manufacture now has to manufacture and support two products where they only had to support one before. And this negates any savings that might have happened.

My experience working in manufacturing was that it was cheaper to sell one product than to set up all the things necessary to sell two products that were only slightly different. There is a ton of overhead associated with anything that is duplicated.

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Jun 4, 2019 03:05:46   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
JimH123 wrote:
There is not much savings to pulling out video and selling the camera as stills only. Plus, the camera manufacture now has to manufacture and support two products where they only had to support one before. And this negates any savings that might have happened.

My experience working in manufacturing was that it was cheaper to sell one product than to set up all the things necessary to sell two products that were only slightly different. There is a ton of overhead associated with anything that is duplicated.
There is not much savings to pulling out video and... (show quote)


Yup, Jim! ... And that's why Canon is now discontinuing the 5DS & 5DS R twins!!!

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Jun 4, 2019 03:51:51   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Video functionality is essential in all mirrorless cameras and any camera having live view. Just because you are not recording it doesn't mean you are not using it.

Unfortunately most cameras are not that great at recording video, ideally raw video would be recorded some cameras do have a clean hdmi out which will allow the use of an external recorder.

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Jun 4, 2019 04:00:20   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
blackest wrote:
Video functionality is essential in all mirrorless cameras and any camera having live view. Just because you are not recording it doesn't mean you are not using it.

Unfortunately most cameras are not that great at recording video, ideally raw video would be recorded some cameras do have a clean hdmi out which will allow the use of an external recorder.


Okay ... I'll bite, Blackest ... why would Video functionality be any more essential in MILCs than DSLRs?

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Jun 4, 2019 04:28:16   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Chris T wrote:
Been driving mini-vans for the last thirty years, R ... and they all have lots of seating ... can do 7-9 ...

The current one has Stow 'n' Go seating. This means, when you need room for cargo, you can tip them all over, into the floor - to give you a full cargo bed - behind the front seats. Should do a 4x8 easy! (flat!)


Wasn't referring to mini vans, was talking about full size vans.
Speaking of mini vans, well maybe not all that mini, we use to have a teal green 1996 Chevy Lumina APV, the Chevy van with the enormous windshield. I remember, that thing had some big windows. It was great for hauling the kids and our travel trailer. My commuter car back then was a BRG 1994 Mazda RX7. My motorcycle back then was a 1990 Kawasaki Voyager XII. I wish I had kept the Mazda, it was fun to drive.

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Jun 4, 2019 04:33:54   #
chikid68 Loc: Tennesse USA
 
HRBIEL wrote:
Just some food for thought. In the old days (pre digital) personal cameras registered images on film but they didn't record video on film. Today, almost any personal camera you can buy can shoot stills as well as record video. I wonder if there would be a market for photographers who only shoot stills and would buy a camera that had no video capability? Marketing a camera with no video capabilities could probably cost less, maybe weigh less, have a smaller form factor, and be less complicated to operate. I know I would be interested in such a camera as I'm not interested in video. Any thoughts from hoggers?
Just some food for thought. In the old days (pre d... (show quote)


My camera is a Canon 50d which is one of the last still only cameras distributed by Canon.
It's still more than capable of creating great images.

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Jun 4, 2019 04:51:54   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Chris T wrote:
Yup, Jim! ... And that's why Canon is now discontinuing the 5DS & 5DS R twins!!!


The 5Ds and 5Dsr are essentially the same camera. I have the 5Dsr model. The only difference is the low pass filter, like on the Nikon D800 and D800E, one has a self cancelling low pass filter, one does not.
Canon's discontinuing the 5Ds/5Dsr because there's no need for three 5D models plus whatever replaces the discontinued models will more than likely be a new high resolution MILC with IBIS. Time will tell...

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Jun 4, 2019 07:41:16   #
Stephan G
 
In the merchandise universe, it is the sales of future products that become the stars. What drives the sales is the sense of having bigger, more, and "improved". It is the perception that is the target and the motivator.

Few decades ago, "Planned Obsolescence" was a considered segment in R&D when developing products for the general public. The manufacture of cameras falls into the group.

One can ignore the video capability in the camera without affecting the still shot capability.

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Jun 4, 2019 08:29:10   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Chris T wrote:
Okay ... I'll bite, Blackest ... why would Video functionality be any more essential in MILCs than DSLRs?


To focus and compose the shot of course what you see in the viewfinder is a video feed from the sensor without it you see nothing.

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Jun 4, 2019 09:07:17   #
BebuLamar
 
Chris T wrote:
Okay ... I'll bite, Blackest ... why would Video functionality be any more essential in MILCs than DSLRs?


A number of the Leica M digital cameras (not all as some do have liveview) do not have live view function nor EVF. They do have interchangeable lenses and they do not have mirror. Now if you consider these camera as MILCs then video functionality is no more essential than a DSLR. However, I do not consider these as MILCs.

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Jun 4, 2019 10:04:29   #
jack99
 
A Pentax K200D is an older camera APS sensor... K-Mount DSLR. Takes great photos... Only 10.5 Pixels, NO VIDEO... however the images are very good.. Probably pick one up fairly cheap since It was purchased in 2008.

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Jun 4, 2019 10:22:31   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Wasn't referring to mini vans, was talking about full size vans.
Speaking of mini vans, well maybe not all that mini, we use to have a teal green 1996 Chevy Lumina APV, the Chevy van with the enormous windshield. I remember, that thing had some big windows. It was great for hauling the kids and our travel trailer. My commuter car back then was a BRG 1994 Mazda RX7. My motorcycle back then was a 1990 Kawasaki Voyager XII. I wish I had kept the Mazda, it was fun to drive.


Ah, yes ... I have an Olds Silhouette - with that same windshield (1990) - the first of the extended series. Then, I went to a Chevy Venture - seemed a little shorter, but it was really neat - first time, I had remote gates on both sides. It also had the rear DVD system. Plus tape AND CD. Then, I went back to another Silhouette - newer design. Only had a 6-CD changer, but it had the dual remote doors - at last. Was so disappointed when I learned GM had dropped ALL Mini-Vans. Now, I have a Town & Country.

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Jun 4, 2019 10:26:56   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
chikid68 wrote:
My camera is a Canon 50d which is one of the last still only cameras distributed by Canon.
It's still more than capable of creating great images.


That was / is - a real workhorse, Chi. I see many folks either DID use that one, or, are - still.

The 60D is the one I have - first Canon DSLR w/ the fully articulating screen - plus, it does video!

But, in the process of the upgrade - Canon DID skip a few of the niceties of the previous model.

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Jun 4, 2019 10:32:17   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
The 5Ds and 5Dsr are essentially the same camera. I have the 5Dsr model. The only difference is the low pass filter, like on the Nikon D800 and D800E, one has a self cancelling low pass filter, one does not.
Canon's discontinuing the 5Ds/5Dsr because there's no need for three 5D models plus whatever replaces the discontinued models will more than likely be a new high resolution MILC with IBIS. Time will tell...


It's for sure there's no need for three 5D models, BUT - there are a lotta differences between that pair and the 5D4 ... the current upgrade. The 5D4's a much faster camera, with many advances. It's nice to have the option - to go for speed, at a loss of res, or to pick max res, at a loss of speed - a very sensible choice. By dropping the High-Res model - I sense Canon may be doing its loyal fans - a disservice ...

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Jun 4, 2019 10:35:50   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
blackest wrote:
To focus and compose the shot of course what you see in the viewfinder is a video feed from the sensor without it you see nothing.


Ah, I see ... so, the EVF is tied into the Video Capability of a MILC, then, Blackest?

Never thought of it that way. Of course - my only cameras which employ EVFs are SLTs ...

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